[polizei1]

Hello, first off I wanted to say that I'm looking for my first carry piece, but have only fired a few pistols.

Now, on to my question...I shot the P2000sk today (.40) at a local range because I've been looking into it. The version was a v3 I assume (decocker, true DA/SA). Can someone please explain the difference between v2 and v3? I know v2 uses an "LEM" trigger system, but I'm confused as to what that exactly entails (website was a bit confusing). Does this not give you the option of SA, but instead become like a DA glock/xd trigger?

Also, while I'm asking...anyone recommend/not recommend the P2000sk over a glock/xd? I have an XD 9 (5") and the trigger is smooth and consistant. I have to say I felt the HK's trigger was very smooth, but the DA pull was ridiculous. It felt every bit of 12-13 lbs. Are they all like is, even the LEM version? Does anyone have a problem with the external hammer while carrying? I know a lot of guns have them, so I assume this wouldn't be an issue?

Any other information is highly appreciated. Overall the gun felt great, but I had a few concerns so I wanted to ask first.

Thanks!

 

[majette]

lem is like a smooth double action revolver with a shorter reset. once you get used to it is an awesome design. the standard da/sa trigger will not win any points for lightness or smoothness but it is a combat trigger, not a match trigger. they do take some getting used to but they are a proven quantity. both the da/sa and lem will smooth out considerably with use. come on over to hkpro.com, you will find more info to get you started and may be able to find a user close to you with a lem equipped pistol for you to try.

 

[polizei1]

Thanks, I'm already a member there, just not on the forum much.

 

[BuckyP]

I highly recommend the HK P2000SK in the LEM configuration (V2). The DA on HKs are on the heavy side, but the LEMs are very light and smooth.

The LEM has no decocker and is a constant action, much like the GLOCK and XD. The one difference is that the LEM does have a second strike capability, which equates to a traditional heavy DA pull. This confuses a lot of buyers, as they pull the trigger without racking the slide first and feel the heavy DA pull - which you should never feel during normal shooting use.

Here is how the LEM works. When the slide is racked, the mainspring is fully compressed (much like a single action 1911). However, the (visible part of) hammer returns forward under tension of the trigger return spring.

Would I recommend the P2000SK over the GLOCK or XD? Well, I shoot my P2000SK better than my G27, so it's better for me. I have little time on the XD sub compact, but found it bulkier and heavier than the other two. I did have my G27 for 11 years, without a single malfunction, so it certainly has proven its reliability.

 

[LEAD]

V0 – CDA (Combat Defense Action) trigger system (SA/DA). Single-action trigger pull of 20 N (4.5 lbf) (+4/-2 N), double-action trigger pull – 51 N (11.5 lbf) (±5 N).
V1 – CDA trigger system (LEM). The LEM trigger is a dual-stage trigger that fires from a hammer down position in both SA and DA modes, but has an internal mechanism that is cocked with each cycle of the action. It provides a constant trigger pull of 20 N (4.5 lbf) (+4/-2 N).
V2 – CDA trigger system (LEM). Like P2000 V1 but with an increased trigger weight. The trigger pull is 32.5 N (7.3 lbf) (±2.5 N).
V3 – SA/DA trigger with a decocking lever mounted at the posterior of the slide to the left of the spurred hammer. Single-action trigger pull of 20 N (4.5 lbf) (+4/-2 N), double-action trigger pull – 51 N (11.5 lbf) (±5 N).
V4 – CDA trigger system (LEM). Like P2000 V1 and V2 but with a mid-range trigger pull of 27.5 N (6.2 lbf) (±2.5 N).
V5 – Double-action only (DAO) trigger system. Trigger pull of 36 N (8.1 lbf) (±3 N).

 

[H&K 4 LIFE]

LEAD, your above post contains the list of USP variants which is entirely different then the P-Series variants.

The most common P2000/SK factory variants you will find are V3 (DA/SA) and V2 (LEM).

The V3 has a DA pull of about 10lbs. and a single action pull of about 4.5-5lbs. There is a rear mounted frame decocker button used to safely lower the hammer on a live round.

The V2 (LEM) stands for Law Enforcement Modification. It is a DAO type trigger system with short reset. Because it is DAO type, no decocker is required. The V2 LEM has a pull weight of about 7.5-8lbs. When the pistol is loaded, the trigger is pulled through it's long 7.5-8lb. pull. The trigger is then released until it resets (about 1/4 of the way forward) and then the pistol can be fired again. Due to the short reset you do not have to let the trigger travel all the way forward to make subsequent shots and this is the major difference between LEM and a true DAO trigger.

 

[LEAD]

Thanks for catching that, I just copied from a site without proofing, lesson learned.

 

[H&K 4 LIFE]

Thanks for catching that, I just copied from a site without proofing, lesson learned.

Good job correcting it.

BTW, to anyone reading it "CDA" (Combat Defense Action) is just what they call LEM in Europe.

 

[sns3guppy]

The P2000SK makes a great ankle-carry firearm. The LEM trigger is great.

I haven't shot an XD, and can't compare the P2000SK with any of the XD pistols, but you can't go wrong with the P2000SK.

 

[polizei1]

Thanks guys. I'll have to do some more research. Just wish I could shoot everything before buying.

I have to say I shoot the XD better than the p2000sk I shot, however I don't think I did bad being my first time, and the major differences between the guns (.40 vs. 9mm, full size vs. sub comp, DA/SA vs. XD's consistant DA). I also think that it would be better for carry because it was lighter, and more "rounded" than the square bulky xd. It has a nice feel too it and fits in my little hands quite nice.

The main thing was the trigger that was bothering me, mainly the heavy pull. Looks like a lot more people prefere the LEM trigger and I might just have to try that!

Thanks guys!

 

[Chowser]

I believe he has the correct variant listings up there.

My P2000 is V3, DA/SA/Decocker.

My USP Compacts are all V1s, DA/SA/Decocker/Safety

I have tried the LEM in my USPc, and I personally didn't like it. I love the SA trigger on the P2000/USPcs, so I carry that way. Growing up with a Beretta 92F, I am used to the DA to SA transition.

Best bet OP is to try and test fire both to see what you like.

 

[umrek]

... Does this not give you the option of SA, but instead become like a DA glock/xd trigger?...

Glocks/XDs do not have DA triggers, they are striker fired.

-umrek