[Civilian sheep Dog]

Hey guys curious if anyone here uses +P Ammo with their glocks?
Does it make a big difference then non +P ammo? Just picked up a box of Winchester bonded pdx1 for my G17 20rds for 20 bucks...:faint: (impulse buy) Figure I would try em out. :dunno:

 

[N/Apower]

The G17 functions best with +P and +P+ ammunition. I strongly feel that it is set up to function optimally with +P loadings in the 124gr weight.

 

[unit1069]

I use +P ammo in one 9mm pistol I own, but that's because it provides the best shooting characteristics with that particular gun. I personally don't think the extra 50 fps and slight increase in energy would make much of a difference through a G-17.

 

[N/Apower]

I use +P ammo in one 9mm pistol I own, but that's because it provides the best shooting characteristics with that particular gun. I personally don't think the extra 50 fps and slight increase in energy would make much of a difference through a G-17.

I think it does. Here is why:

The G17 is a polymer gun. It has a good bit of "flex" to it, even compared to other polymer pistols. Glock is also made across the pond. In Europe, 9mm ammo is loaded hotter, usually right around +P by our standards, from what I understand.

+P or +P+ ammo will provide extra insurance against limp-wristing the G17 with it's flexy frame and it being sprung for the equivalent of +P 124gr ammo, the way I understand it.

PS. If you meant "terminally", then no, I doubt it does make much difference.

 

[Jeepnik]

I've used +p in a Glock 30. Bit more recoil, quit a bit more muzzle flash (enough so that I wonder about it's effect on night vision in a low light situation). I'm not sure that out of the 30's shorter barrel, you are gaining anything.

 

[sciolist]

I think it does. Here is why:

The G17 is a polymer gun. It has a good bit of "flex" to it, even compared to other polymer pistols.

How about compared to your hand and arm?

 

[N/Apower]

How about compared to your hand and arm?

My hand and arm are a given no matter what I shoot. The flex of the Glock is just another tolerance added to the stack.

 

[sciolist]

The flex of the Glock is just another tolerance added to the stack.

Not if it isn't the limiting factor.

 

[N/Apower]

Not if it isn't the limiting factor.

1+2=3
1+1=2

Tolerance stacking. It's real.

If you have ever shot a G17 and an all metal 9mm like a CZ or P226 ST, you will see what I mean. Just try to limp-wrist them and see how much more it takes than the G17.

 

[fiasconva]

One of the factors to consider with the + rounds is that it will cycle guns that are dirty, muddy, bloody or whatever when the regular rounds may not.

 

[Jeepnik]

One of the factors to consider with the + rounds is that it will cycle guns that are dirty, muddy, bloody or whatever when the regular rounds may not.

Might be true, but I haven't trired it with +p ammo. In fact, really the only firearms that are fired when in these conditions apply to military (few of us will ever again roll around in the mud in a life and death struggle involving contact distance shooting, but I know that good ole hardball will work), and they don't use +p. Although the 9mm NATO, is a bit hotter than conventional ammo.

 

[N/Apower]

Might be true, but I haven't trired it with +p ammo. In fact, really the only firearms that are fired when in these conditions apply to military (few of us will ever again roll around in the mud in a life and death struggle involving contact distance shooting, but I know that good ole hardball will work), and they don't use +p. Although the 9mm NATO, is a bit hotter than conventional ammo.

Actually:

There's definitely truth to the notion that a +p round can aid reliability.
A friend of mine used to be his NJ PD's armorer and FI. They would run some of their training guns so long without cleaning and lubrication that eventually the pistols would start to have cycling problems. He'd then swap out a mag of the standard pressure training ammo and put in a mag of their duty ammo (9BPLE +p+ at first, and later 124gr +p Gold Dot) and the gun would run flawlessly.

-Todd Green, posted on M4Carbine.net

So if you shoot high-volume, it could apply to you too.

 

[Jeepnik]

Actually:


-Todd Green, posted on M4Carbine.net

So if you shoot high-volume, it could apply to you too.

So what you are saying is that for the non military shooter, who is too lazy to clean his firearm, +p might extend the time until malfunctions occur. Seems to me, it'd be easier just to clean the darned thing.

 

[N/Apower]

So what you are saying is that for the non military shooter, who is too lazy to clean his firearm, +p might extend the time until malfunctions occur. Seems to me, it'd be easier just to clean the darned thing.

Sure, it would, but during some of the training courses at Gunsite, etc. you might end up shooting the thing quite a bit before it becomes convenient.

Either way, I would rather carry the ammo that insured function the best.

 

[DEADEYEGUY]

I've shot 124gr. +p through my Glocks and Winchester Ranger 127gr.+P+ loads. Never any problems. You feel a little more recoil with them but it'a really not bad. Carry Winchester 230gr. +P+ in my G30. It's stout but nothing the gun or shooter should have a problem with.