Nice, but my time is cheap. I have the Dillon primer swaging unit and a Lyman case trimmer. Sometime this winter I'll deal with the .223/ 5.56 stuff I have in buckets. And then load them up slowly on my 550B.

 

You might be money ahead buy just getting a complete toolhead dedicated to 223 prep.

FW Arms decapper, swage rod backup die, carbide trim die and trimmer.

 

For some reason, I didn't want to trim on the 1050. I suspect it is because changing toolheads on a 1050 is a good deal more involved than changing them on a 650. Not a huge issue but given the two presses, why not size and trim on the 650 and then reload on the 1050. It made sense at the time...

Using the CP 2000 to replace the size and trim on the 650 may, or may not, make sense. Clearly the 650 can do the job in a great big hurry.

The reason for loading .223 on the 1050 is the primer pocket swaging station. That and the fact that the primer seats on the down stroke.

It's a nice idea, the CP 2000, but I haven't ordered one just yet.

 

For some reason, I didn't want to trim on the 1050. I suspect it is because changing toolheads on a 1050 is a good deal more involved than changing them on a 650.

I load and prep on a 1050. I have dedicated toolheads for each.

Changing over from processing to loading takes 1-2 minutes and involves one big bolt.

 

Guess it somewhat depends on how often you want to do .223 brass. If it's all the same spec, seems like you could just set aside a period of time to do it on the 1050.

 

Looks interesting. Looks like a 1050 without priming and powder charging. And of course standard with the trimmer. Is that basically what that is?

 

I don't shoot enough 223 to justify spending any serious coin on case prep tools. I still have 1000 cases left of the 2500 cases that I prepped and primed over 8 years ago. You guys looking at a CP 2000 have to be shooting at least a 1000 rounds of 223 every month to be interested right? You can get processed 223 brass for around $90/1000. You can even get it primed for about 3 cents more.

The only guy I knew that shot 1000/month didn't have time to process brass so he just bought primed and processed brass and then loaded with TAC and a Sierra bullet and then changed his barrel at least once a year.

 

For that money I think I would just invest in a mark 7 and let the machine do the case prep for me. I’ve thought seriously about automating a second 650 just to do brass processing.

 

I load and prep on a 1050. I have dedicated toolheads for each.

Changing over from processing to loading takes 1-2 minutes and involves one big bolt.

You're right, of course, changing the toolhead is easy. At the time, I was loading .45 ACP on the 1050 when I thought of doing .223. That conversion is a little more complex since literally everything changes. I decided that it was just easier to do the .223 size and trim on the 650 and leave the 1050 set for reloading .223. I moved my .45 ACP to the 650 where it remains along with the other pistol calibers.

I had actually bought the 1050 before the 650 and specifically for .45 ACP. .223 wasn't much of a consideration until the Obama years.

 

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I decided that it was just easier to do the .223 size and trim on the 650 and leave the 1050 set for reloading .223.

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I assume you're using an RT1200/1500 on the 650 tool head. A few questions if you don't mind:

Are the case mouths sufficiently cleanly finished from the trimmer that they don't need additional de-burring?

Do you use the trim die exclusively to size?

How are you exanding the neck interiors, absent an expander button on the trim die? I've heard of some people using a Lyman M die on the reloading toolhead for this purpose.

I loathe trimming and de-burring brass. Enough that I'm accumulating a supply of sized, untrimmed brass. If after sizing, the cases are < 1.76", they go into the reloading assortment. If trimming is needed, they go into the bucket "for later".

 

I hear you. I believe you. It just makes me wonder why Dillon would promote this.

Also looks like the 1050 has been "upgraded" to an 1100 also.

Right off, I don't see much of a change between the 1050 and the 1100. Somebody will buy one and tell us. Apparently, the CP 2000 is built on the 1100 and the 1100 machine will accept 1050 caliber conversions. There's a lot of commonality.

It is Dillon's thought that the 1050 and 1100 are for commercial reloading. As a result, the warranty is not "lifetime of the machine" but something like 2 years.

Commercial reloaders might very well have a 1050 in every caliber and buying a case prep machine is not out of the question.

One thing to think about BEFORE the election: Even reloading machines became scarce during the Obama years. Those available on eBay were priced well over list price even when well used.

 

I saw that in the new Blue Press. Tools are cool, no matter what. If you have the coin I say go for it. Dillon equipment does not seem to depreciate in value like so many other things do after purchase and initial use.
And I think you are spot on about the 2020 election. Things will be heating up next summer and I wouldn't be surprised to see a run on components, equipment etc.

 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZgdvX-VjIM&t=26s

 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZgdvX-VjIM&t=26s

High on the cool factor but there seems to be a lot of wasted space on the tool head.

 

Just spent too much time watching Gary (aka The Human Manual). Now I want a 750.

 

The “new” linkage is going back to the RL 1050 style, why it doesn’t work for longer cases and why the “super” exists.

$1600 for a machine that can’t load or $200 for a tool head for the trimmer? There is only one bold holding the tool head to the ram on a 1050...

 

Well, it isn't really $1600. Once again, Dillon displays the price of the press - minus everything it takes to make it useful. Ready to actually do something, the price is on the order of $2630.

I don't understand the "second backup expander die" but it seems as though they are sizing before trimming and then sizing again after trimming.

Given a good sizing die on the 650 toolhead, the trim die doesn't actually have to any more than just keep the case from spinning. Neck sizing was done before trimming.

The Manual for the CP 2000 doesn't seem to be available yet.

 

I don't see why you wouldn't just deprime and trim the brass on the 650 and then load it on the 1050 with the swager.

 

That doesn’t help the rational argument any though.

I run another die with expander in #5 on my 650 “prep” machine. As well as another one in station #2 of the “loader” 1050 press and the expander/backup rod for the swage station at #3.

Any sharp edged left by the trimmer are knocked off and the bullets won’t fall off the case mouth going from the bullet dropper to the seat station.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La83ZVKnBzw

 

That doesn’t help the rational argument any though.

I run another die with expander in #5 on my 650 “prep” machine. As well as another one in station #2 of the “loader” 1050 press and the expander/backup rod for the swage station at #3.

Any sharp edged left by the trimmer are knocked off and the bullets won’t fall off the case mouth going from the bullet dropper to the seat station.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La83ZVKnBzw

Is that video recorded at normal speed?

 

Yes. I can run the 1050’s a bit faster than the 650’s because I am not feeling for the primers, then seating them.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl63cR9Y_Y0&t=2s

 

I like it but I wish some one would come up with a giraud cutter for the dillon trimmer so that it would chamfer the ID &OD while trimming. Ideally if iam going to invest big chunk of change in a case prep machine I would like for it to do as much as possible in 1 machine.
Hell maybe even have a station that would induction annealing on it too.

 

I like it but I wish some one would come up with a giraud cutter for the dillon trimmer so that it would chamfer the ID &OD while trimming. Ideally if iam going to invest big chunk of change in a case prep machine I would like for it to do as much as possible in 1 machine.
Hell maybe even have a station that would induction annealing on it too.

And JMorris will have a prototype next week.

There are some expensive trimming machines but they don't tend to resize and there are some expensive sizing machines that don't trim

http://www.casepro100.com/desc.ydev?prod_id=33744

One I have and don't really like is the Hornady Case Prep Center

https://trendytactical.com/best-case-prep-centers-reviews/#5_Hornady_Lock-N-Load_Case_Prep_Center_110_Volt

In my view, the RPM of the cutter is far too slow. It doesn't do a very nice job of trimming. The other tools are quite handy which is probably why I keep it.

See this review:

https://trendytactical.com/best-case-prep-centers-reviews/

 

And JMorris will have a prototype next week.

LOL! So true.

 

Forrester has a nice trimmer. Make an adapter to use that on the Dillon.

 

Related to case prep has anyone seen the FW ARMS high speed decapping and swaging die?? So the ad in handloader magazine and thought it might be interesting.
https://fwarms.com

 

Related to case prep has anyone seen the FW ARMS high speed decapping and swaging die?? So the ad in handloader magazine and thought it might be interesting.
https://fwarms.com

I am using their decapping die. Good stuff.

 

I am using their decapping die. Good stuff.

Their recapping die is pretty awesome. I really like the way it assists on the case alignment and it appears to have an incredibly strong pin.

I'll be ordering one for certain.