[dsm600rr]

Maybe I missed it. But I'm trying to find the upgrades that would prevent this pistol from functioning properly/dependably/reliably for EDC or HD purposes. Adding a magazine extension? Nope. Having stippling done? Nope that isn't going to do it. Adding a flared magazine well? Nope, I don't think so. Adding an RMR to the slide? Nope.

I say do what you want to with the pistol and let others do as they want to. And who cares what it costs you. I saw where someone asked you what all of it was going to cost. Unless they are paying part of your bills, I.E. your wife, then it shouldn't matter to them how much you money you spend on customizing your pistol.

Amen

 

[Seaweed02]

The Magwell actually adds a little bit to the grip, it doesn't make it shorter. It gives a little room for the pinky finger that wasn't there before. Unless you have small hands and don't need the pinky rest, it would be a benefit.

 

[dsm600rr]

This aftermarket Magwell, with the already short G19 grip, makes it even shorter on the G19/5.
The fit to the handle is awful: there is a gap behind the handle and Magwell.
The G19/5 already have Flared-mag-well,so there is absolutely no need for bad designed aftermarket Magwell.

I said you were entitled to your opinion, I didn't ask for a in-detail explanation.

 

[Beard Man]

Very often, new buyers begin to "improve" what has already been improved.
As a result,very often they returns to the original factory design,spending a large $$$.
It is better to spend this money on ammo,at least it makes sense.

 

[Bradd D]

I'm more of a stock Glock kind of guy, but to say that professionals aren't modding their guns is erroneous.

 

[dsm600rr]

The day that my Glock fails due to a magwell or stipple job is the day I never buy a glock again lol.

I do tend to modify everything I buy from Building my own Gaming PC's to Building AR's and Modifying Cars. Its the Engineer in me.

 

[G19 fan]

Maybe I missed it. But I'm trying to find the upgrades that would prevent this pistol from functioning properly/dependably/reliably for EDC or HD purposes. Adding a magazine extension? Nope. Having stippling done? Nope that isn't going to do it. Adding a flared magazine well? Nope, I don't think so. Adding an RMR to the slide? Nope.

I say do what you want to with the pistol and let others do as they want to. And who cares what it costs you. I saw where someone asked you what all of it was going to cost. Unless they are paying part of your bills, I.E. your wife, then it shouldn't matter to them how much you money you spend on customizing your pistol.

I agree that whoever is paying the bill gets to decide what is important to him & that is none of my business. My question/concerns about aftermarket parts & reliability would be functional parts such as the slide as in the title of the thread. To each his own, I just get annoyed if/when someone blames the manufacturer for an issue that was caused by someone else's modifications.

 

[dsm600rr]

I agree that whoever is paying the bill gets to decide what is important to him & that is none of my business. My question/concerns about aftermarket parts & reliability would be functional parts such as the slide as in the title of the thread. To each his own, I just get annoyed if/when someone blames the manufacturer for an issue that was caused by someone else's modifications.

I am glad I made this post. I will not be modifying anything of importance such as the slide, trigger, barrel or anything internal for that matter. I will post pics when its back from stipple, they start work on it Monday.

 

[Jarrod37387]

All the items you have added and propose to add are fine for a pistol that is strictly a gun-games range toy. However, they degrade its function and reliability for serious use as a WEAPON. Although such things are distressingly popular with new users, they would never be allowed on a G19 for professionals in law enforcement and military organizations.

Return the pistol to all the original OEM parts if you intend to use the pistol as a WEAPON. Any G19 just pulled from its case after purchase is an excellent WEAPON without owner alterations and degradations except sights.

Welcome to the General Glocking Forum.

Jeez, really? Look, I get your opinion and you're entitled to it just like everybody else. As a Glock armorer, law enforcement officer, firearms instructor, and occasional competitive shooter, I would like for you to tell me how a stipple job, magwell, and mag extension are going to make that gun so unreliable. Even to say that no law enforcement or military ever would be allowed those modifications is patently false. I happen to carry a G4 19 MOS with an RMR, factory "-" connector, Apex Tactical trigger and bar, Magpul magwell, and Ameriglo sights on it that I carry, instruct with, and shoot IDPA and practical pistol with regularly and have had zero issues with...just the same as any of my stock Glocks. My neighbor used to be on the teams in the Navy, you don't think they modified just about every one of their weapons in some way to fit them and what they were doing? They did and still do today. How about going on your rant to Aaron Cowan or John Lovell? Both of them carry several weapons with modifications.

I understand those in the camp of believing and wanting to keep their guns completely stock. What I don't understand is the militant "it's going to malfunction and get you killed attitude" not to mention the information just being wrong. I might not necessarily put the exact same things on my gun or the same brands, but it's his gun. Not to mention you just piled on and answered nothing about his initial question.

So, tell me how any of his already done modifications or a proposed slide from either of the REPUTABLE manufacturers he mentioned are going to make it so he can't use his gun as a WEAPON. /rantover

OP, IN MY OPINION, Zev and Agency slides are the two I would look at. There are others out there, I have seen more data on those 2. You can also find factory Gen5 19 MOS slides for sale (I think there's one in the classifieds here right now). There are also several good companies that do great optic cuts out there.

Oh, and welcome to GlockTalk...lol

 

[dsm600rr]

OP, IN MY OPINION, Zev and Agency slides are the two I would look at. There are others out there, I have seen more data on those 2. You can also find factory Gen5 19 MOS slides for sale (I think there's one in the classifieds here right now). There are also several good companies that do great optic cuts out there.

Oh, and welcome to GlockTalk...lol

I appreciate the great information and post. You are clearly knowledgeable. Thank you for the welcome as well!

 

[Devilabs]

I double Zev and Agency is IMO the best, well it looks the best. Glock slide are heavy, they are built in “mass production” so a heavier slide built to withstand the turbulence of the gun firing is needed for reliability of a mass production part. When I worked PMC, I toured the factory in GA years ago where they told us that point blank. By going to a different slide, you can cut weight without loosing reliability because it’s engineered that way. I believe I read a while ago that Zev and Agency are not reversed engineered, glock gave them the actual cad designs and continues to give it out when they do an update, for example, first Gen 5 19’s did not have the frame tapered to match the slide, so 2 updates were sent. Anyways, I look at Glocks are like AR’s. They are the gun guys GI joe, accessories galore. Yes some will kill your reliability, don’t buy cheap stuff. Cheap stuff is cheap for a reason. If it does not fit correctly, return it unless your a gunsmith. For all the warranty of the gun, remember, Glock has changed their position on aftermarket alterations. It will void the warranty. I know why, companies like Wish, Amazon, and eBay selling parts that are garbage for 9.99 and free shipping

 

[Will Beararms]

All the items you have added and propose to add are fine for a pistol that is strictly a gun-games range toy. However, they degrade its function and reliability for serious use as a WEAPON. Although such things are distressingly popular with new users, they would never be allowed on a G19 for professionals in law enforcement and military organizations.

Return the pistol to all the original OEM parts if you intend to use the pistol as a WEAPON. Any G19 just pulled from its case after purchase is an excellent WEAPON without owner alterations and degradations except sights.

Welcome to the General Glocking Forum.

Thank you.

 

[Devilabs]

All the items you have added and propose to add are fine for a pistol that is strictly a gun-games range toy. However, they degrade its function and reliability for serious use as a WEAPON. Although such things are distressingly popular with new users, they would never be allowed on a G19 for professionals in law enforcement and military organizations.

Return the pistol to all the original OEM parts if you intend to use the pistol as a WEAPON. Any G19 just pulled from its case after purchase is an excellent WEAPON without owner alterations and degradations except sights.

Welcome to the General Glocking Forum.

Jeez, really? Look, I get your opinion and you're entitled to it just like everybody else. As a Glock armorer, law enforcement officer, firearms instructor, and occasional competitive shooter, I would like for you to tell me how a stipple job, magwell, and mag extension are going to make that gun so unreliable. Even to say that no law enforcement or military ever would be allowed those modifications is patently false. I happen to carry a G4 19 MOS with an RMR, factory "-" connector, Apex Tactical trigger and bar, Magpul magwell, and Ameriglo sights on it that I carry, instruct with, and shoot IDPA and practical pistol with regularly and have had zero issues with...just the same as any of my stock Glocks. My neighbor used to be on the teams in the Navy, you don't think they modified just about every one of their weapons in some way to fit them and what they were doing? They did and still do today. How about going on your rant to Aaron Cowan or John Lovell? Both of them carry several weapons with modifications.

I understand those in the camp of believing and wanting to keep their guns completely stock. What I don't understand is the militant "it's going to malfunction and get you killed attitude" not to mention the information just being wrong. I might not necessarily put the exact same things on my gun or the same brands, but it's his gun. Not to mention you just piled on and answered nothing about his initial question.

So, tell me how any of his already done modifications or a proposed slide from either of the REPUTABLE manufacturers he mentioned are going to make it so he can't use his gun as a WEAPON. /rantover

OP, IN MY OPINION, Zev and Agency slides are the two I would look at. There are others out there, I have seen more data on those 2. You can also find factory Gen5 19 MOS slides for sale (I think there's one in the classifieds here right now). There are also several good companies that do great optic cuts out there.

Oh, and welcome to GlockTalk...lol

mike I have to disagree. 1. Military or US military unless SPECWAR does not use Glock as a standard secondary weapon. I know of a certain group that issued the 19 for some operations. PMC’s use them and does change triggers out regular because of trigger pull or a lot of contractors don’t like the gritty trigger that sometimes come from the box. You can and probably will try to give me a lesson in cleaning the gun but I don’t need it. Try telling 45 contractors getting ready to board a plane that they need to clean their gun better...... we use aftermarket magwells to increase the performance of the gun. No slides are not usually traded out but maritime cups are added and oh no, have you seen the slide covers plates on professionals guns! I have a ton of LE friends that use Glock as a service weapon. All of them have done something to increase the performance. ESP trigger shoes. I can understand your want to keep the gun as stock as can be, it’s just not a range toy. Customization are for 3 reasons, 1. Function of the user. Almost all the top manufacturers of aftermarket are ex or current LE/Mil. Magpul was built off the idea to increase function of the AR mag while reducing weight. They have moved on producing a lot of upgrades that are seen on military firearms deployed today, same goes for PMC’s and LE. 2. Is looks and identifies the user’s personality. 3. Competition shooting. A lot of the times the above 2 go into 3. They take it very seriously. Malfunctions and misses are not an option when it comes to cash prize and 1/2 sec. that translates into the same on the streets.

 

[Rob H]

Not for me, I tricked the hell out of mine, precision slide, trigger , barrel, slr mag, sights etc, cerakoted. The only thing stock is the springs and guide rod. Shoots flawlessly and bad ass, spent few hundred but looks sick. Love her. Nothing wrong with modding if you know what your doing. Practice have fun and learn. In the end do what u want and have fun with it.

 

[Toocool45]

I like the design of the stock Glock 19 pick your personal generation of preference. OP it seems like you should save up for a gen 5 19 mos.
I personally don't like or need any mods to glock pistols. But high visibility sights are one change that works. But to me the stock plastic sights are very easy to pick up during range fire.

 

[walke121]

I am glad I made this post. I will not be modifying anything of importance such as the slide, trigger, barrel or anything internal for that matter. I will post pics when its back from stipple, they start work on it Monday.

Don’t be so quik to drink the koolaid of those saying only a OEM Glock is reliable or should be carried. I’m new to Glock and I got that but the more I really looked into it and have tried things out myself a lot of this is just BS. There are some things I’ll stay away from on my carry gun like adding a compensator because that does change how the gun cycles and I don’t want to mess with mixing and matching springs.

Sorry to say but you are going to get a lot of members saying your gun must be stock and don’t modify it blah blah. My personal experience is go with a good reputable company and do some through range testing to make sure it’s all good and shoot the crap out of it. I’m not for adding stuff that just for “bling” but I don’t have issues for those that do. My opinion is that the Glock aftermarket scene is so competitive **** that doesn’t work and companies that produce sub par products won’t survive. I’m also cautious of brand new stuff but there are so many enthusiasts that mod their Glock you can find good info on what does and doesn’t work.

Unless you exclusively use Glocks I don’t see how you can’t notice that trigger it comes with. It’s the one thing I didn’t like about my 43x. It was better than some Glocks I’ve shot but that trigger shoe is terrible. I hate the serrations and the fact the safety doesn’t completely go into the shoe when shooting. I have an Apex trigger and the feel of it is so much better than that stock shoe. The trigger bar it comes with is the same as Glock so I’m not worried about reliability ive put 700 rounds through my 43x in 2.5 weeks and not a single issue.

Check out Loki Tacticals slide work too. They are one of my favorite companies and have some great looking designs. Here are some of my favorites personally. Those are just pics from the gallery on their website.

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[DrewBone]

There have always been issues that crop up concerning the use of aftermarket parts on any mechanical platform ranging from automobiles to firearms, but that doesn't mean that the use of aftermarket parts will render your automobile or firearm inoperable or unsafe when you need it.

I built a G40 clone using a Gen3 G20 frame as a foundation, and used an aftermarket stainless steel longslide, two different barrels, and slide internals, all from Lone Wolf Distributors - and it's been 100% reliable. I wouldn't hesitate for one nanosecond to use it for self defense if need be. This is an indication to me that there's plenty of wiggle room in the Glock pistol design that will allow it's function with aftermarket slides of different weights, lengths, and with and without ports, aftermarket barrels of different lengths, with or without threads, and caliber conversions not offered by the factory, aftermarket triggers of different styles, surfaces, and materials, etc.

This idea that a Glock pistol is a precision instrument on par with an Atmos clock where no part could ever be replaced with an aftermarket part else it will cause it to malfunction is absolute rubbish that's continually parroted by old school thinking that has never once been backed up or proven valid with one shred of imperial data. I've asked for such published data to be produced numerous times and all I've ever gotten back were the sound of crickets.

So do what you want with your pistol. After you do your mods run it through it's paces just like you would with any completely new to you pistol.

I've always found it quite humorous how the Glock OEM Perfection Boys never seem to have anything negative to say in regards to the many people who've purchased brand new OEM Glock pistols only to have to return them to Smyrna because they didn't function properly from the get go...remember, these were perfectly stock and brand new untouched and unmodified OEM Glock pistols! They're often the same people who belittle complete strangers for using aftermarket parts yet they have nothing negative to say about Glock when someone here posts about their brand new or even used OEM Glock pistol malfunctioning, other than, "Just send it to the Mothership and they'll take care of it for free." 'Too funny...

 

[walke121]

There have always been issues that crop up concerning the use of aftermarket parts on any mechanical platform ranging from automobiles to firearms, but that doesn't mean that the use of aftermarket parts will render your automobile or firearm inoperable or unsafe when you need it.

I built a G40 clone using a Gen3 G20 frame as a foundation, and used an aftermarket stainless steel longslide, two different barrels, and slide internals, all from Lone Wolf Distributors - and it's been 100% reliable. I wouldn't hesitate for one nanosecond to use it for self defense if need be. This is an indication to me that there's plenty of wiggle room in the Glock pistol design that will allow it's function with aftermarket slides of different weights, lengths, and with and without ports, aftermarket barrels of different lengths, with or without threads, and caliber conversions not offered by the factory, aftermarket triggers of different styles, surfaces, and materials, etc.

This idea that a Glock pistol is a precision instrument on par with an Atmos clock where no part could ever be replaced with an aftermarket part else it will cause it to malfunction is absolute rubbish that's continually parroted by old school thinking that has never once been backed up or proven valid with one shred of imperial data. I've asked for such published data to be produced numerous times and all I've ever gotten back were the sound of crickets.

So do what you want with your pistol. After you do your mods run it through it's paces just like you would with any completely new to you pistol.

I've always found it quite humorous how the Glock OEM Perfection Boys never seem to have anything negative to say in regards to the many people who've purchased brand new OEM Glock pistols only to have to return them to Smyrna because they didn't function properly from the get go...remember, these were perfectly stock and brand new untouched and unmodified OEM Glock pistols! They're often the same people who belittle complete strangers for using aftermarket parts yet they have nothing negative to say about Glock when someone here posts about their brand new or even used OEM Glock pistol malfunctioning, other than, "Just send it to the Mothership and they'll take care of it for free." 'Too funny...

This is exactly my thought. Glocks aren’t made to the tightest tolerance. It’s my belief that’s why they are reliable. My Nighthawk is like a Ferrari and I’m certain it couldn’t take a 1/4 of the abuse a Glock could. If it got dirty or gunked up I could see issues arising very quickly. I’m sure the fact there is some “play” or “wiggle room” in Glocks is why you can watch videos of them dumped in mud and still fire. I think the most issues arise when multiple aftermarket parts are used and it’s more of those parts not working together than a single aftermarket part not working with the Glock.


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[SCHOOFSTER]

Don't listen to the fudds, you can mod your glock and it will still be 100% reliable. I have zero reliability issues with any of mine.
I like:
Black Phoenix Customs
Boogeyman Customs
ZEV
Zaffiri Precision
Slideworks Engineering

 

[dsm600rr]

Finally got it back from the Frame Work! I love it. The next goodie for it should be here in about a year lol