What?

 

Can't read?

 

I can read just fine.

Judging by my lack of understanding and the other responses here, it may be the delivery of the written matter that is in question.

 

 

I hain’t seen her in awhile 🤣🤣🤣

 

No its just capitalism.

 

Nothing much changed, until Glock said so.

 

 

?????

When U.S. law enforcement dropped .40, following the FBI's lead, all gunmakers, including Glock, dropped or cut back on .40 S&W.

You are confusing cause and effect.

 

Some of the major gun makers dropped the .40 from their commercial catalogs, but kept it available for LE/Gov contracts. It's business, not a condemnation of the caliber, or indicative of any particular 'failing' of the .40 S&W. The 9mm is THE major caliber for pistols on the world stage, and the big name companies are always looking for their slice of the big world-wide pie.

 

I shoot 40, and will continue to.
I'm just pointing out how strong Glock is, as a company.
Lots of you ladies got yer pannies in a wad.

 

Uh, no. Quite the opposite in fact. Glock was actually the last major manufacturer to drop .40 pistols from the lineup. If .40 pistols disappeared "virtually overnight" once Glock dropped them it's because everybody else had already dropped them.

 

Dude.
I research firearms as a hobby.
I look at what's for sale around the country (generally) and in Texas (specifically), as well as other factors.
The changes before/after are stark and real.
On local (Texas) trading sites, (as well as nationwide) the 40 DID virtually disappear, overnight.

 

?????

When U.S. law enforcement dropped .40, following the FBI's lead, all gunmakers, including Glock, dropped or cut back on .40 S&W.

You are confusing cause and effect.

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When U.S. law enforcement dropped .40, following the FBI's lead, all gunmakers, including Glock, dropped or cut back on .40 S&W.

You are confusing cause and effect.

No, I don't think so.
When the Fibs switched to 9, it started the ball rolling.
But the most drastic changes happened immediately after Glock's announcement.
If you look at trading sites, before and after, it's really quite clear.
Before the announcement, I would see a lot of 40's for sale or trade.
After, I see 4 or 5 for sale in a 300 mile radius.

 

Stop and consider WHY the FBI decided to switch back to 9mm. The reasons weren't something specific to the FBI, and the same questions being revisited and asked by the FBI's FTU were also being asked by the state and local LE agency FTU's, as well. The FBI does tend to put a lot of research into their decisions, and it's not like it's rare for other agencies to look at those decisions, and determine whether they might help resolve some of their own concerns, as well. It happened that way in the revolver days, and then the 9mm days, and then the 10mm days, and the .45ACP days (for FBI swat and HRT), and then the .40 S&W days ... and now we're back to the 9mm again.

The FBI's decision sparked the next generation of Glock 9mm pistols, since Glock obviously wanted to keep the contract. The features desired and specified by the FBI as the new proposal ended up becoming the Project M gun for the FBI, and it spawned the Gen5 guns for the commercial market. Granted, some of the features were carried over and adopted in the G42/43 models, before the Gen5's went online.

Like private gun owners & enthusiasts, trainers in state & local LE agencies can be just as easily influenced and eager to follow trends, and the trend - for the moment - is the return of the 9mm as the dominant civilian LE service caliber. (With the .45ACP hanging on in the wake, which shows how that venerable American caliber has some surprising staying power. )


Now, will the 10mm ever see a return to LE/Gov work? I rather doubt it. Will the .40 S&W regain its position as a duty caliber? Probably not unless something happens that can conveniently be blamed on the 9mm caliber. Again.

Never Say Never, though.

 

Anyone who checks, can see a huge difference in used 40's for sale both before and after Glock's announcement.
All I'm sayin'.

 

 

Yes, it's a Glock. Which one? Why, ALL of them of course. A REAL lesson in power was just delivered.
When Glock decided to discontinue most 40's, the entire gun world reacted. The 40 disappeared from most makers plans/stock. Virtually overnight.
That's REAL power!

Anyone who checks, can see a huge difference in used 40's for sale both before and after Glock's announcement.
All I'm sayin'.

Do you know what you're saying? Because you're changing your argument, from new pistols to used pistols. Keep trying - maybe you'll eventually throw something out there that will stick.

 

Nope! But, even if I had, the argument still stands.

 

Alright.
You Millies win.
Hey! I heard there's a NEW 9mm pistol for sale, COMPLETELY different from the other 8000 9mm pistols available.

 

Yes, it's a Glock. Which one? Why, ALL of them of course. A REAL lesson in power was just delivered.
When Glock decided to discontinue most 40's, the entire gun world reacted. The 40 disappeared from most makers plans/stock. Virtually overnight.
That's REAL power!

I like your enthusiasm, but I don't think Kathryn's going to see your post and marry you.

 

 

How the hell can you not understand what I'm saying?!
Before, and after.
It is YOU who does not see.
Refusing to see?

 

It looks like Glock is keeping the 23 in production, according to the discontinued list only the 22 and 27 are being discontinued fully. The Gen 4 23 is on there but not the Gen 3 or 5.

 

Yessir.
My point was that, after the announcement, there was a massive drop in 40 available for sale or trade, as seen on firearms trading sites.
Yes, most companies still sell some.
But they are no loner (for the most part) showing them, unless you look for them. A big change.

 

 

Glockstore still has them at 449.00

 

What difference does it make?! With the new bullet technology they’re all the same, 9mm, 50 bmg. What-sa-matter, is ya igorant?

 

G23 prone bout to get fullclipped

 

Um... how so?

 

Palmetto state armory has 12 different Glock 40 S&W for sale.
Besides, I have the real .40 caliber Glock.

 

Palmetto state armory has 12 different Glock 40 S&W for sale.
Besides, I have the real .40 caliber Glock.
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Of course, you didn't see them advertised. 😁

 

All great points, no doubt, but do you think that the cost of the ammo if those calibers factors into the FBI or other agency and department contracts, because they look at the expenses associated with supplying their personal with ammo for carry and training? I’m curious what you think about that, because you clearly have a great handle of this than I do.

I'm not him, but I've never gotten the impression that federal agencies have been particularly concerned with expense. I would believe that having to requalify a bunch on non-gun people like the FBI has would make 9mm attractive, though. For state - and especially local PDs - the budgetary allure of 9mm is certainly a factor, though (as well as the easier requals).

Something tells me your stay may be a short one.

Day drankin' ain't for everyone.

 

Bingo!
I was trying to say it, without saying it.
But, now that it's out, you can get back to that big bag of penuses.

G23 prone bout to get fullclipped

Um... how so?

Because stuff like the above quote is against the rules!! Or nearly so.
Keep going though. It’ll be fun watching you self destruct on the .40 S&W quest you seem to be on.

 

"Or, nearly so"? Jesus! I only made a post about the strength of Glock, as a company!
Glock's effect on the pistol market cannot be denied.
40 Quest?!
Report me.

 

What are you, six?