This is excellent advice, in a rational, relaxed, well thought out setting, with no high anxiety, from a guy with 50 years experience in the business.
Once you start talking during an extremely stressful adrenaline dump situation ... look out ...
"Anything you say, can, and will, be used against you in a court of law"
If you can remember to say and do exactly what Mas said, fine.
I'm intending on shutting up in the aftermath of chaos. There will be plenty of time to figure out what happened after an underwear change and a lawyer consult! If I have to sit in jail for a short time I'll do that.

 

This is fine advice, in a rational, relaxed, well thought out setting with no high anxiety.
Once you start talking during an extremely stressful adrenaline dump situation ... look out ...

and of course most self-defense shootings will be the victims first time experiencing this whirlwind experience.
Education is the key and taking ccw classes may help, if they teach practical methods after a self- defense shooting.

Another subject is having a lawyer on retainer if one carries on a regular basis and finds themselves in a self-defense situation.
Better to have an attorney in your contacts on your cell vs “finding a good one” to talk to-

 

Do you agree:

Keeping in mind every use of force incident is unique, pretty much, yes.

 

Good info, hope no one has to be involved in shooting….,hope.👍

 

Not to take away from Mr. Ayoob, he’s obviously well researched, but it’s hard for me to listen to this video knowing he himself has never been involved in a shooting. He claims he’s debriefed lots of people who have been involved in shootings. Although, he has a lot of theoretical knowledge, he will never be able to adequately describe what actually goes through the mind of a person who is in a shooting. He sterilizes the act and doesn’t or can’t touch upon the ”fog of war” and what actually happens in a real world setting.

In theory, he may very well be correct and he makes some good points, but he has never been there, nor done that…

I’ve been in several shootings, one of which resulted in me getting shot as well. When Mr. Ayoob has had my experiences, maybe we can trade some war stories.

 

The chaos in those few seconds is just….indescribable. Good post.

 

But he has law enforcement experience. Lots of it. He was a volunteer part-timer at a village PD of half a dozen officers in New Hampshire. So, basically, he was the Mountie in all those Hallmark movies.

 

When he started the village only had about 300 residents……up to about 3000 today 🤔

 

I have 20 years in law enforcement (full time and reserve combined) and over 10 as a practicing attorney. I absolutely agree with Mr. Ayoob, and I actually teach his method in CCW classes. The internet meme version of "DUR, DUNT SAY NUTHIN" is far too simplistic. Some in the trailer park crowd take that to new heights of stupidity and change it to mean "Don't ever talk to the police in any form, either as a witness or otherwise."

Law and reality simply don't work that way. Memorizing Mr. Ayoob's steps and following them is much more productive, in my opinion.

 

This video convinced me that Mas Ayoob's advice is correct:

Stay safe, everyone -- safe from BGs AND from overzealous prosecutors.

 

Eye opening video for sure. What the common person does not know-

 

"Sir, it depends on the totality of the circumstances." Police recruit's answer to almost anything.

Blow bin Laden's head off as he's heading into a day care with an AK and a trail of corpses, and you can say anything you want. You'll probably be given a free pass on four misdemeanors of your choice to boot.

Be forced into defend your life against your business partner who was boinking your wife after a cocaine-fueled argument over embezzled funds, and discretion might be is called for.

My position is that if you can be trained to make the decision to use deadly force under the most stressful conditions you've ever faced, you can be trained to explain that decision. "Trained". Because waiting to figure out how to handle the aftermath until it actually arrives is kinda like waiting to learn how to waltz until you're at the ball.

 

Excellent video. Even if you do not agree with everything Mr. Ayoob says in this video (although I do), it is good advise. You might fine tune your response if involved in a shooting, but he does bring up some good points.

 

A much more valuable resource in my opinion is the late Jim Cirillo. He was in a LOT of real, not theoretical gun fights and never was shot himself. I was lucky enough to train under Jim Cirillo as a Federal Firearms Instructor at the F.L.E.T.C. in Glynco, GA. He was a great teacher and had a lot of funny stories about his time with the New York Stake Out Squad. He too, said to shut up and never talk or write a report until the "Gun smoke" cleared in your head.

 

this aint new....some guys in wigs talked about this in 1791....lol

 

@Cranky old cop Just curious as to how this one got resurrected.

 

I didn’t notice the date ….my bad

 

ROFL, I didn’t even pay attention to the dates.

 

A newer video.

 

imo - we process and take away from such experts and videos what we feel will be best for us if we find ourselves needing counsel/input.
I do not think Ayoob's comments are omniscient or meant to be all encompassing - but one stands out - if you do not know the law, what constitutes a "good" shoot, why are you carrying in the first place? I meet people almost every week at the range or at a function that do not have a clue about the law, do not feel compelled to have insurance, and think that just having (and presenting) a gun will keep them safe. I only wish they did not have the right or opportunity to procreate...The right to bear arms is only viable so long as the people exercising it seek to be informed and lawful - we lose 2A support every time someone declines to do either.

My neighbor was shot in a road rage incident. He was driving to Home Depot on a Saturday morning and a person of questionable documentation thought he was going too slow, passed him illegally, flipped him off and then turned and followed him into the parking lot where he emptied an entire magazine into the drivers side of my neighbor's truck. My neighbor was hit twice, turned his truck and rammed the BG's car - the police station was 1 block away. Police and medics arrived quickly, disarmed the shooter, and took my neighbor to the hospital immediately where he underwent a series of surgeries. He was not able to speak with the police, he woke up in the hospital cuffed to the bed! The shooter claimed he fired in self defense because my neighbor had t-boned his car - the police believed the shooter. They did not even look at the evidence (all shots were fired into the driver's door - none head on, the shooters brass was all outside the car and he had foot prints where he had stood before being knocked over by the impact of the truck...ultimately my neighbor was exonerated and the shooter was arrested (well an arrest warrant was issued, but he had fled the county already). Moral of the story...if you do not give a short statement to the officers they will believe whatever statements they are given by whoever gives them (at least in this instance that was true).

Lastly, the number of times a person was shot at, hit or returned fire might make them a hero, but that may not make them an expert. (That would include me for the record)...it would give them experience. Ayoob (right or wrong) has established himself in the legal system and firearms community as an expert - the type of expertise that could be valuable in total or part - that is for each of us to decide for ourselves. Give a statement, or do not give a statement, and count on the BG to tell the truth at some point in the process - it is a choice. Personally, every LEO I have ever met really does want to see the BG held responsible (with very few exceptions) so I would find a way to help them determine the truth.

 

Lastly, the number of times a person was shot at, hit or returned fire might make them a hero, but that may not make them an expert. (That would include me for the record)...it would give them experience. Ayoob (right or wrong) has established himself in the legal system and firearms community as an expert - the type of expertise that could be valuable in total or part - that is for each of us to decide for ourselves. Give a statement, or do not give a statement, and count on the BG to tell the truth at some point in the process - it is a choice. Personally, every LEO I have ever met really does want to see the BG held responsible (with very few exceptions) so I would find a way to help them determine the truth

Ayoob is a gifted teacher. The simple fact is that just because someone has experience does not mean they are automatically an effective teacher. first hand experience has its place but for an instructor the ability to teach comes first and foremost.

 

That video could have been shortened to about 3 minutes .