Thanks for the info. I have stayed away from them because I would just assume spend anothe couple of hundred and get the real thing

 

It's a clone, you could swap out the barrel and RSA for Glock OEM. and not go through any of the issues the OP had with his early example.

What you won't get from the real thing is slide cuts and a more ergonomic grip at almost half the cost.

I've only got about 500 rounds through one of their latest productions so we'll see how it goes. I still enjoy all of my different Glocks but there's a reason why there's such a large market for clones both high end and budget.

 

I bought mine in pieces not intending to buy a new gun initially. Got the slide to use on my g19 frame then bought the Dagger frame and a Swenson barrel and used my SS RSA and then replaced the front sight with a g19 steel sight due to it shooting low. Seems fine but haven't shot anything close to what you have.

 

They're strikers are MIM. I wonder how long those will hold up.

 

MIM isn't a bad word like you may have been led to believe.

 

I’ve got a few Dagger lowers, I thought I would get into P80 builds, and bought more than one slides and barrels. The Dagger lowers were as cheap as they come, and they work with aftermarket slides and parts. I came across a Glock 19 upper, mated it with a Dagger lower, it’s got about 1000 rounds through it, everything from duty ammo to cheap Russian 9mm.

Oh, new puppy likes guns…best dog ever.

 

I’ve got a few Dagger lowers, I thought I would get into P80 builds, and bought more than one slides and barrels. The Dagger lowers were as cheap as they come, and they work with aftermarket slides and parts. I came across a Glock 19 upper, mated it with a Dagger lower, it’s got about 1000 rounds through it, everything from duty ammo to cheap Russian 9mm.

Oh, new puppy likes guns…best dog ever.

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I never had any issues with my Dagger in terms of magazines or ammunition, it ate everything o threw at it. I do shoot 100yd A-zone steel targets for competition and the Dagger had no issues up until the barrels had worn to the point 100yds wasnt feasible. I won't tell you about the red deer i missed because of a worn barrel, confirmed with grouping immediately afterwards...
I would put a glock OEM trigger in the frame, I've heard several reports of them breaking around 2k rounds.

 

I don’t have any 100% PSA Daggers, just the lowers, and I built up three with slides and barrels of questionable quality. If you played with P80’s sometimes the issues were with non-factory Glock parts, so I have a stash of parts that were the issue with a build, but they are GTG with the Dagger.

 

Nice. I have roughly a third of that through one of my Daggers. Although I did swap the barrel out for a threaded SS one.

 

Thank you for the feedback. Please shoot me an e-mail with your order number and a link to this thread. I am going to send you a new barrel and a few other things. Just update this thread once you have a few more thousand rounds through it. Josiah@palmettostatearmory.com

Thanks,

Josiah

 

Thank you for the feedback. Please shoot me an e-mail with your order number and a link to this thread. I am going to send you a new barrel and a few other things. Just update this thread once you have a few more thousand rounds through it. Josiah@palmettostatearmory.com

Thanks,

Josiah

Email sent, thanks for your reply. I had emailed customer service but had not heard anything back for a week.

 

jUsT aS gOOd

 

...and better in some cases.

 

These replacements will definitely get me to 10k, thanks PSA for the batch of parts! This will post again Friday most likely when i can get some more ammo to test these new barrels.

 

Fantastic CS. Congrats.

 

After reading @PalmettoSA I couldn't resist and ordered a frame and a slide... <$300 ODT, can't beat that. Let's see what's all the fuss about LOL!

 

My 2 Daggers are great. No regrets in buying either one

 

I've had a PSA Rock for several months. No issues, and I love the gun. Then I purchased a complete Dagger slide for a P80 build, and it's great. A couple of months ago, I bought a complete Dagger pistol with night sights in sniper green for $299. Trigger is excellent for what it is, and I've had no issues/complaints through about 500 rounds. I recently purchased a blem FDE Dagger frame complete for $60! (I can't find the blem on it.) Again, for what it is, it's great. I have a Brownells G19 clone long slide and barrel on backorder I plan to use on the new Dagger frame. Can't wait.

I love all my Glocks, but the Dagger format is an excellent value and worthy lower-price alternative.

 

First range session since new barrel was yesterday afternoon.
I set aside 250rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ for break in and one box of 124gr +p Speer Gold dot.
I elected to use the threaded barrel for a little extra FPS.
It being so effing hot and humid in Texas right now, i had to switch from my steel range to my paper range on my property (much closer to my house on a 4-wheeler) I didn't have any paper targets on hand but I don't think anyone minds me using these lol.
Under 1.5" at 25yds first shots, full magazine. My expectations were exceeded.

I got just over 200rds of FMJ in and click (no bang). Tap, rack and click, no bang again.
Cleared and made safe, I'm pretty sure i know what the problem is.
Disassembled the slide on a bench, and found this.

I was right, broken firing pin but this time the tip sheared off instead of the whole assembly snapping in the middle. Right under 800 rounds for this firing pin, what gives? No dry fire on
this one except for occasional disassembly for cleaning that requires it Also, MiM?

Installed new replacement firing pin assembly and finished the rest of the ammo this morning.

Expect an update possibly Saturday or Sunday morning depending on the weather.
102F and 70% humidity with smoke from Mexico 🤢

 

First range session since new barrel was yesterday afternoon.
I set aside 250rds Fiocchi 115gr FMJ for break in and one box of 124gr +p Speer Gold dot.
I elected to use the threaded barrel for a little extra FPS.
It being so effing hot and humid in Texas right now, i had to switch from my steel range to my paper range on my property (much closer to my house on a 4-wheeler) I didn't have any paper targets on hand but I don't think anyone minds me using these lol.
Under 1.5" at 25yds first shots, full magazine. My expectations were exceeded.
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I got just over 200rds of FMJ in and click (no bang). Tap, rack and click, no bang again.
Cleared and made safe, I'm pretty sure i know what the problem is.
Disassembled the slide on a bench, and found this.
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I was right, broken firing pin but this time the tip sheared off instead of the whole assembly snapping in the middle. Right under 800 rounds for this firing pin, what gives? No dry fire on
this one except for occasional disassembly for cleaning that requires it Also, MiM?

Installed new replacement firing pin assembly and finished the rest of the ammo this morning.

Expect an update possibly Saturday or Sunday morning depending on the weather.
102F and 70% humidity with smoke from Mexico 🤢

Out of curiosity, the replacement firing pin? PSA FP, or Glock FP?

 

oh well!

 

I have a dagger that I replaced the trigger on. I do not like hinged triggers and a Shadow Systems fit perfectly. It works fine. It is one of those pistols that I can hang lights, lasers, red dots, compensators on and have a good day at the range. I have a dagger complete slide on a Gen 3 G23 frame. It works fine. It makes for a great truck/trunk gun.

 

Hit 7k today, no problems. I noticed some HP now has a tendency to ride up the feed ramp at the lip of the hollow point as opposed to the ogive of the bullet. If i ride the slide forward i can induce a failure to feed malfunction but i don't have that issue when live cycling. Pushing the back of the slide into battery usually fixes the problem, sometimes a tap-rack is required.

Probably caused by the change in locking block angle (new part). This is minor gripe; it may be enough to cause accuracy issues at a distance but i haven't pushed out to 100yds with JHP yet; 9mm JHP is becoming less common in my area for some reason.

The action is now incredibly smooth; the new finish on parts really shows. I swapped to an OEM glock gen3 RSA and found that my follow up shots are definitely faster with practice ammo with just a hair more recoil from +p but the difference in speed is worth it IMO. No noticeable difference or degradation of accuracy.

As an aside from this, I just started to get into speed shooting on the clock with a timer. I have always been a marksman but never a guy who dumps mags into targets as fast as possible. I tried a few different gen3 style glock compatible frames and prefer straight 1911 grip angle frames as compared to the dagger frame. My split times were much faster and accuracy was the same. Almost everyone i let handle my Dagger said the ergonomics were better than their glock or glock compatible frames.

 

Got a chance to go out to 100yds on my pistol range this morning but spent most of my time doing chainsaw work and patterning a shotgun.

Acquired a SCT-19 frame for a different project, put a few hundred rounds through it with a friend's shadow systems slide to test function. Decided to put my dagger slide on the frame.

Loaded up a 33rd mag with 124gr Federal white box FMJ and fired one shot at 100yds; perfect COM hit first try on a cardboard silhouette. Well, no need to test accuracy any further lol. I didn't snap a pic before I left because i was already soaking in sweat and trying to get back inside ASAP. Texas summer with high humidity is brutal.

 

Kudos to Josiah for staying on top of this thread and providing the customer service to HuntingtFree.

That being said, it would appear that going to a public forum is more effective than phone call(s) and email(s) to PSA for help. I have a bunch of their products and do want to support the brand but the expense of effective/responsive customer service is a good investment for a business. Call me a cynic but it could indicate more focus about public image than customer relationship(s).

Glocks do cost more and the cost delta may not necessarily equate to the quality delta but there is no denying that Glock customer service is the gold standard - from the phone call for help to the fast response of fixing the issue. I had a holster wear the finish on a (USA) slide, I called Glock, sent the slide to them where it was refinished and returned to me in less time than PSA seems to answer an inquiry.

 

Parts received today, new extractor left old extractor right. No idea what a regular glock extractor lifespan is but i think this original was close to being done.

 

102rds this morning to test function, no issues with glock oem 33rd mag and SHK 33rd mags. I noticed I'm still not getting very positive ejection, brass is maybe 8-10" to my right foot with 124gr federal white box FMJ. Not weak ammo by my standards, very accurate as well. Dumped two 33rd mags as fast as possible, the third one i used to test accuracy at 25yds. If i did my part i would stack rounds in the same spot albeit low, sub 2" group 👌

Also noticed fully loaded mags seat without having to tap the base of the magazine to lock in place. Maybe my magazine catch spring is starting to wear out? I plan on getting a glock OEM mag catch spring and a gen4 OEM ejector.

If you're wondering why 102rds; two were federal HST and used to dispatch two rattlesnakes on my range 😱. 80F @ 8am, perfect snake weather.

 

@PalmettoSA Got to right about 7500rds today. BTF issue in Dagger frame still present and very annoying. Doesn't make a difference switching RSAs or barrels. Changed ejector in my spare SCT19 frame to Glock OEM SP30275 and used it today, less brass to face and better ejection but still some brass goes behind my head or in front occasionally.
Possible tolerance stacking in the extractor?

Groups at 20yds at the end of the day weren't good with Federal Punch JHP, Speer gold dot JHP and G2 gold dot. All of those ranged from 5"-6.5". Hornady critical defense was the best at 1.6". Had one failure to feed with the Hornady but I was using a PMAG.

I'm starting to think maybe my Dagger is getting less compatible with newer parts because of revisions/re-designs as things improve. I recently noticed removing my slide from the frame is an issue, sometimes they get bound together after depressing the slide takedown lever which requires multiple attempts of racking, squeezing the trigger and manipulating the slide takedown lever. I don't have this issue with two other brands of g19 style frames.

I'm thinking a new slide takedown lever and ejector may be needed. If those don't fix the issue, i would send my Dagger in afterwards to be looked at by your repair team.

 

Hunting,

Back at the beginning of this thread you said you'd recommend the Dagger over a Taurus. After everything you've been through with this gun , is that still the case? I've never heard of aTaurus with this big a spread of problems. It would be interesting to see a G3 put through the same paces you put the Dagger through and see how it hold up.

 

That's an interesting question.
I wouldn't think anyone buying a budget firearm would have the resources to use it as much as I've used mine. I haven't heard of anyone running a G3 for 5k+ rounds to compare my experiences with.

If you were to compare a current production Dagger to a Taurus G3, i would still prefer the Dagger. PSA has fixed most of not all the issues that I've had with my (relatively) first production dagger over time with help from end users who put lots of rounds through theirs. Glock magazines have been proven over decades to work, you can upgrade to Glock OEM parts over time on a budget like an inexpensive AR. I'm pretty sure the Glock aftermarket selection is better than Taurus as well. There are a diversity of slides and frames available from PSA as well.

 

Anyone know when the micro dagger frames will be available?

 

Have yet to get my hands on one but I am definitely going to get one soon enough. Thanks for the info.

 

Happy New Years glocktalk, I've been away for a while busy with work and life. I sent my Dagger off to PSA to be serviced and just received it back today. Turnaround was less than a week if you don't count the holidays.

Problem was BTF and groups shifted left/increased in size

Parts replaced by PSA: Trigger housing, Ejector, Locking block, Magazine catch spring, trigger pin and firing pin assembly.

I find it interesting they chose to swap my ejector to a Glock OEM 30274. BTF problem has gone away. Also the feed ramp of my barrel has been polished which is a nice touch.

The new firing pin is copper PVD or titanium nitride finish. The finish helps the trigger pull, it's much more crisp and predictable than before.

I shot one group at 20yds and another at 50yds. Group are back to being centered and reduced in size although i suspect Speer changed something with the batch of +p Gold Dots I use; they're not as small as I'm used to and there's obvious occasional fliers. Also felt recoil seems more stout than before, not sure if that's me or the firearm.

Attached are pics, i will update again when i have a few hundred more rounds through my Dagger.

 

250rds put through the Dagger today, bringing the total to about 7750rds. No issues with function since being serviced.
The threaded barrel groups exceptionally tight now, just not to the sights (high and right about 6").
Swapped to the original length barrel, no problems out to 100yds with 115gr blazer brass FMJ.
Will post again with another round update soon.