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I am looking for a Red Dot type sight to mount on my new Glock 40 Gen 4 10mm MOS.

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#1 ·
I am looking for a red dot type sight to mount on my new Glock 40 Gen 4 10mm MOS. I am learning that there is a difference between red dot reflex type sights. What I want to know is
how advantageous is it to have a "red dot" type sight that is parallax free holographic like the EcoTech vs a basic red dot sight as the Burris Fast Fire 3? This is a hunting gun, so I am trying to determine if buying an expensive holographic scope is worth the money or if the affordable, well constructed Burris FF3 will suit me just fine. Your input is appreciated! Thank you.
 
#5 ·
AVF;
The short answer to your question is........"it all depends".........on so many things........all of which vary greatly from individual to individual.

This is an issue that I have been interested in and researching for several years now; I almost ordered my first Glock, (a G34) shortly before it was announced in the 2014 Annual Buyer's Guide that Glock would "shortly" be offering three of it's existing pistols, the G-34 / 9mm, G-35/.40, & G-41/.45, in addition to the all new G-40/ 10 mm, in what they refer to as "MOS Configuration", (with MOS being Glock-speak for "modular optical system"), As I was already greatly interested in reflex sights, (inasmuch as many top competitors had been using them for some number of years already), I immediately intensified my reading-up on this subject in order to determine if it would be to my advantage to hold off ordering a new pistol until these new MOL "configured" models started shipping.

I quickly realized that starting out with a pistol that already had the slide milled for mounting a red dot sight would indeed be very advantageous, so I told my LGS in Terre Haute that I wanted the FIRST G-34 MOS that they received.

It was a fairly long wait, but as I was in no great hurry, and inasmuch as I was still a long way from determining exactly which red dot sight I wanted to buy, the long wait for the pistol afforded me an equally long time to research this subject further.

There are probably at least ten times as many things involved in building and marketing a red dot sight that will be robust, accurate, and totally dependable than most people realize. I quickly found out that with red dot sights, (just like all optical and electronic goods), you generally tend to get "just what you pay for".

There are many red dots selling for, from less than $100 to maybe $200 that I won't comment on; (in mentioning that, I have just incurred the displeasure of everyone who has ever purchased a red dot in this price range, and all I can say is, I'm sorry if you feel that way, as I'm merely attempting to be objective. Once we get beyond the $200 and into the $300 range, we find the Burris Fastfire || & Fastfire |||; This is the first red dot that I was able to actually look at, handle, and discuss with many who were already using them; IMO, Burris's Fastfire ||| is probably the biggest selling and the "most liked" by the "most people", probably because every LGS I have ever been in has them in stock, and a tremendous number of them have been sold, with a large majority of the people owning and using them being quite pleased with them.

However..........I seriously doubt that you will ever see this red dot used in combat, upper-level competition, or by the many people who have the "budget" to buy a Trijicon, Leupold, EOtech, Aimpoint, or other "top-of-the-line" red dot sights.

Are these premium red dot sights "worth" their higher costs? Only you can answer that; ( an awful lot of people seem to believe they are indeed "worth every penny" they cost ). A lot depends on how you intend to use a red dot sight; You state that you need it for a new Glock 10mm; consider this; ANY red dot sight that is "slide mounted" on ANY semi-auto pistol needs to have it's electronic circuitry robust enough to stand up to the constant (and quite violent) cycling back and forth of the slide that it's mounted to; on a 9mm semi-auto that's a very demanding "environment" for any electronic device to operate reliably in; the same red dot mounted to a 10 mm has an even more punishing environment to maintain it's reliability in! In fact, you'll probably note that when red dots first started to be used extensively in competition, (and due to the "state of the art" at the time I'm guessing ), many competitors had their red dot sights frame mounted on mounts that sometimes cost as much as the actual red dot sight, but with the red dot not being subjected to the violent "back & forth" cycling of the slide.

The next big issue that many very experienced gun owners quickly realized was, "we want our red dot sights to be co-witnessed with our steel sights"; This in one area, (IMO), that the gun owners were ahead of the red dot sight designers! Most red dot sights have a relatively small "window" (most of which tend to be some distance ABOVE the level of the slide ); again, IMO, the single red dot sight that stands at the top of the heap in this regard is Leupold's Delta Point and Delta Point Pro; (and to the best of my knowledge Leupold is the only maker to offer a red dot sight that uses a tiny red "triangle" rather than a "dot", and both of their red dots have a very large, very low windows, thus making it easier to co-witness with the pistol's steel sights.
 
#6 ·
I have a G-34 MOS with a Trijicon and a G41 MOS with a Fastfire II, while shooting I can't tell a whole lot of difference. Along the way I picked up a Fastfire II from Amazon for $183 and it is at Lone Wolf with my slide getting fitted.
I( do wish you could get a larger dot on the Burris sights.

If you plan on using it or self defense the Leupold would be the choice since it's motion activated, you can find it for about $369.

I got the Trijicon for about$600, the Fastfire III for about $235.

For target shooting I could be happy with any of them. They sure are fun for falling plates.
 
#7 ·
Dots have been around in USPSA since the mid 90's. They had to be frame mounted because they were small scopes back then and ate 3 sets of batteries in one match. Today's laser dots are much more energy efficient and compact and more precise. Ok, to start with you aren't going to get a good dot for under $200, so aim a little higher. I have both the FastFire II and Trijicon Red Dot (now discontined, same as the Docter) on Open Division USPSA Glocks. For competition, we use larger MOA dots (about 7 MOA and larger) but for hunting you want a finer dot, so a 3 MOA. Also slide mounted dots don't live as long as frame mounted dots because of the constant slide recoil. You may want to consider a frame mount, there are lots of them out there for Glocks. CMore and Carver are a couple. There are other options for hunting also, namely scope dots and long eye relief handgun scopes. Don't know about hunting dots but the most popular dot in USPSA/IPSC competition are the CMores, far and away. You don't need co-witnessed suppressor sights, that's just urban tacti-cool blah blah.Nobody has extra sights on their open division guns. Look at running a compensator instead to minimize recoil for that follow up shot.

http://www.cmore.com/

Typical CMore setup on a USPSA Open Gun, STI in 9x23mm

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typical Open Glock

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My Open G17L
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#8 · (Edited)
OP, was just checking the Burris FF III and it should work just fine. 3 MOA, adjustable brightness, and manual on/off. You can still get the old FF II for just at $200 but it looks like they only offer 4 MOA now. In fact if my Trijicon ever quits, I will get the FF III. I like the manual on/off better than the auto setting and don't worry about losing the cover on the Trijicon (which turns it off). And to make quick work out of a close zero for a dot, get one of these chamber laser sighters. Takes like 5 seconds to zero at 25 yards inside, then check your hunting zero at the range.

http://www.amazon.com/SightMark-Acc...KALNBO/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1446487642&sr=8-10&keywords=boresight+laser+10mm
 
#14 ·
GMB...........Do you have the first one or the Pro? Also, where'd you buy it and how much? (I'm still commiserating over whether to spring for the Pro or not. )
First version 7.5 MOA adjusts for brightness. $299 at a local shop. Fit up nicely and runs like a champ. Honestly I bought this to hunt with. I compared against RMR of similar MOA and this was crisper for me. Ymmv
 
#15 ·
Slide mounted Red Dot you do loose your target during recoil. Red Dot mounted to the frame you don't loose as much of your sight picture.

I went with the Burris FF2 on my 21. No problems no complaints. I also have a Docter Optics again no problems no complaints.
When I was putting the 21 together. The Triqicon was not available in the bigger dot. Bask ordered till who knows when. I did buy a dual illumination RMR and it was terrible. I did not like the very dim dot in indoor shooting conditions.
 
#24 ·
I put the dual illumination Trijicon on my G40. I like it a lot, it is the only "red dot" that doesn't turn into a starburst or multiple dots due to my astigmatism.

I have a Vortex Viper on my G17MOS, and it is only usable by me on low power levels due to aforementioned astigmatism.
I might owe you a lunch after this tip.

Been looking for something for my g17 mos and every stinkin one I look at looks like a big irregular fireball when set at a brightness level I can see under normal indoor conditions or outside. With or without my glasses, it seems to be an issue for me with any led based optic.

Have never heard anyone address the astigmatism issue other than just to say it was just a pain with red dots.

So thanks. I'm gonna check out the RMR dual illum and see if the that might work for me. If I can find one locally to play with.
 
#27 ·
I only have EoTech's standard holographic sights and have not tried their new RDS, so take this for what its worth. For me, a standard red-dot sight on a pistol is fine and the holographic or parallax free feature is not necessary. The reason is the small field of view and the fact that minor movement of your head takes the red-dot almost out of sight anyways. In other words, your line of sight has to be pretty much lined-up with the RDS to see it. I have a Burris FF2 on a .22 and like it. But I find the Trijicon RMRs to have a much crisper dot. I went with the RMO6 (Adjustable LED) RMR for my G40MOS. And with Trijicon suppressor sights, it co-witnesses nicely.

Best of luck with your decision.

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#32 ·
Drew cog, what is the size of your Trijicon dot. 3.5 or 6.6?
The one pictured above on my G40MOS is the 3.25MOA. I went with the smaller dot for increased accuracy if/when I hunt with it. I don't shoot competition so can't speak to it for that purpose, but if speed is your priority over pinpoint accuracy than maybe the 6.5? If someone here as used both, hopefully they can weigh in. Best of luck with your decision.