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I had the opportunity to shoot the HK VP9 and Sig 320 at a range session, along with two of my"brothers" we set out to do a honest factual comparison.

Disclaimer-I own the HK and one of the other shooters owned the Sig P320, The third shooter was undecided on which to buy.

As you are all aware the VP9 and P320 are new striker fired polymer pistols, they are new entries into the market place,
I can say both Sig and HK did their homework on these 2 pistols.

The HK VP9 addresses 2 of the main complaints about the P30,
price and trigger reset. ( I also own a P30)

The HK VP9 has a similar grip frame as a P30, the grip has removable side panels as well as back straps, therefor you have 27 possible grip configurations. The one new feature are the "ears" these are polymer protrusions that reside under the rear sight and are incorporated in the rear serration, they assist in charging the pistol and surprisingly they work well.


The Sig P320 is a upgraded striker fired version of the Sig P250, the pistol is a modular design, it can be had with S,M & L grips, and different caliber versions will be available, since the firing mechanism has the s/n and is considered the actual gun, you will be able to order caliber conversions on line.

So after firing several hundreds of rounds between the 3 of us, No failures of any kind, and a long debate over coffee, here are our conclusions.

Build quality-draw
sights-draw
accuracy-draw
ergonomics-with the 27 possible grip configs, the HK delivers a better feel, not that sig is bad, just different.

trigger-this was the heated debate . The Hk has some take up, and then a crisp break, i would guess about 4.5/5 pounds, sorry no scale available.It also had a short reset, the sig seemed shorter.

the sig trigger had almost no take up, and what felt like 6.5/7 pound break, upon dry fire it felt heavy, but when firing it was not noticeable.

For me the HK edged out the sig here, i truly believe it will come down to personal preference, as for us I was in the minority.

in my opinion i would recommend either of these 2 pistol, in fact i will be purchasing a 320 compact soon, i was that impressed.

So the next question will be how do they compare to glock?
So here is my answer (disclaimer...I own ,have owned the following glocks..17,19,21,23,27,30,34,35,36)

Trigger pull-HK/Sig.
Sights-HK/Sig ....metal sights beat plastic.
Ergonomics-HK/Sig
Build Quality-HK/Sig....sorry fella's but there is no reason that gaston can not figure out how to make straight lines on a frame, yep the stupid pig nose.
Value-HK/SIG....besides a night sight upgrade, there is nothing left to really do, as far as glock, how many of us actually have stock glocks? the sights, trigger jobs, extended controls start to add up, when all is said and done, its not the great value everyone believes it is.

Now with the HK selling for about $600 and the Sig selling for about 500-560, glock has some real competition.

So if you get the chance to shoot either, I believe you will be impressed with either.
Its good to be a shooter with so many quality choices to spend $$ on.
 
Good info, Gino

I definitely plan to acquite a VP9 in the near future. I also plan on picking up a Walther PPQ. I'll probably pass on the P320. I'm funny when it comes to Sigs.

I hope that we can go shooting at some point soon, my friend. :wavey:
 
Big advantage that Glock has over both of them is how simple a Glock is. The HK and Sig is quite a bit more complicated than Glocks.
Not saying they are bad but a lot more parts and some quite small.
I own Glocks, FNS-9 and the Sig320, all are good but if my life depended on it I would (and do) carry a Glock.
 
Big advantage that Glock has over both of them is how simple a Glock is. The HK and Sig is quite a bit more complicated than Glocks.
Not saying they are bad but a lot more parts and some quite small.
I own Glocks, FNS-9 and the Sig320, all are good but if my life depended on it I would (and do) carry a Glock.
I don't always see an advantage in simplicity. I see an advantage in reliability and I'm not sure Glock has that over much of any new polymer the market these days.
 
thank you for your review. now that both companies over striker fired pistol around $500-$600 range, the polymer market got interesting again. I am quite impressed with the VP9. I have about 500 rounds through mine and it is a solid contender. definitely my first choice in its price range.
 
Good review, both seem to have a promising future. The Sig May face a bit of an uphill battle, based on the less than popular P250. :dunno:

I don't always see an advantage in simplicity. I see an advantage in reliability and I'm not sure Glock has that over much of any new polymer the market these days.
Exactly, this is way overrated.
 
... and what felt like 6.5/7 pound break, upon dry fire it felt heavy, but when firing it was not noticeable.
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Nice observation. ;)

I often suspect that this is something that eludes, or is simply overlooked by, a lot of pistol owners/users.

Sometimes what may feel like a significant aspect of a gun when just handling or doing some dry-fire ... like the trigger pull weight, travel, reset, etc ... simply isn't all that noticeable, or relevant, when actually engaged in live-fire. ;)
 
I dont think glock is too much more special than others. I got mine since it was a good price point and the aftermarket is good enough that I can modify it easy (dont like most guns in stock form.)

Imn interested in the vp9. Sig is meh.
 
Both companies have seen what happens when other companies can sell large quantities of plastic pistols for low price points to LE/Gov agencies. It's getting increasingly difficult to compete against Glocks and M&P's without similarly priced products.

Strictly a coincidence that both new striker-fired plastic models arrived for release just as a major fed agency was getting ready to consider new guns to replace its aging inventory. :whistling:
 
The HK VP9 is and amazing pistol with a great trigger and deadly accuracy. The trigger is very bit as good as the Walther PPQ. Ergonomics may be the best of any striker fired gun I have held. I love my Glocks but they will spend a lot more time in the safe these days
 
I think the P320 and the VP9 are both outstanding pistols. I have owned the VP9 and had quite a bit of trigger time on the 320 as well. Both performed flawlessly, and I was just as accurate with both.

The P320 in LE circles has the advantage of duty holsters already on the market Safariland ALS series holsters. The VP9's are on the way according to Safariland, but they sometimes take a while to get them out.

Both pistols use magazines and sights that are already on the market so that a huge plus.

Agreed the H&K fire control is a bit more complicated, but as another stated, that isn't a deal killer as long as the durability and reliability is there. As far as end user maintenance, I think the 320 may edge out the VP9, but then the Glock beats both of them in that regard.

If I was looking for a new duty weapon, out of the box no mods, I would have to go with the 320C, due to holster availability. I also prefer shorter barrel.

If I was looking for a SD/HD weapon, no mods, I would go with the VP9.

I am more than happy with my Glocks, but they all have grip work and most have fitted barrels to get them where I want them, and on par with the P320 and VP9.

The P320 and VP9 pistols are fine with me the way they come from the factory.

My police department has been tossing around the idea of issued duty weapons for a while. Being in charge of the program, I have some input.

What I can honestly tell you is, even though I carry Glocks every day, they are at the bottom my list for consideration.
There is just simply more viable options out there that are just as reliable and durable if not more so than current production Glocks.

TXPO
 
I think the P320 and the VP9 are both outstanding pistols. I have owned the VP9 and had quite a bit of trigger time on the 320 as well. Both performed flawlessly, and I was just as accurate with both.

The P320 in LE circles has the advantage of duty holsters already on the market Safariland ALS series holsters. The VP9's are on the way according to Safariland, but they sometimes take a while to get them out.

Both pistols use magazines and sights that are already on the market so that a huge plus.

Agreed the H&K fire control is a bit more complicated, but as another stated, that isn't a deal killer as long as the durability and reliability is there. As far as end user maintenance, I think the 320 may edge out the VP9, but then the Glock beats both of them in that regard.

If I was looking for a new duty weapon, out of the box no mods, I would have to go with the 320C, due to holster availability. I also prefer shorter barrel.

If I was looking for a SD/HD weapon, no mods, I would go with the VP9.

I am more than happy with my Glocks, but they all have grip work and most have fitted barrels to get them where I want them, and on par with the P320 and VP9.

The P320 and VP9 pistols are fine with me the way they come from the factory.

My police department has been tossing around the idea of issued duty weapons for a while. Being in charge of the program, I have some input.

What I can honestly tell you is, even though I carry Glocks every day, they are at the bottom my list for consideration.
There is just simply more viable options out there that are just as reliable and durable if not more so than current production Glocks.

TXPO
Well said.
 
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