[Johncola36]

Hey all. Just got a 21 gen 4 that was sent to me as a replacement for a 21sf that was having ejection problems. At the range I fired about 200 round of different factory ammo. After a few fliers over my head I wanted to try firing the gun with a chambered round and no magazine. After the first shot I had a stovepipe. I tried another and it fell through the mag well. Tried golden saber 185 plus p, stovepipe. all of these were without w magazine while firing.

I was a little disappointed so I put a few round through my 30sf and then tried the same test. I had several empty casings fall through the mag well or stovepipe without a magazine while firing. I also saw another Gentleman at the range with a G21 and he tried a shot w/o a mag and it fell through the mag well.

I wrapped it up and left the range, came home and found a youtube video with Hickoc45 having the same issues with Glock and 1911. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGSrjymmqE"]Pistol Reliability Without Magazine - YouTube[/ame] This made me feel as if the extractor is not doing its Job. I did some part swapping in my gen3 19 and it spits the case far even without a magazine, so I expect the same from my other Glocks.

It reminds me of my NAA Guardian .32 that has no ejector because it relies on the subsequent round to push out the casing in combination with a small extractor. Just looking for your thoughts, cuz I want my Glocks to run perfect!! Mag or not... You know what I mean people.. If not Glock; where else can I turn?

Happy Shootin!!!

 

[Johncola36]

Also Wondering if Dave Nowlins Ejection fix, or increasing the time the extractor holds the case may solve this? It just annoys the hell out of me. Other than that the 21 and the 30 run good, but I cant let that stuff go. I wanna send an email or call glock but I know they will just change a part or two and send it back and if it doesn't help its a big waste of time.. :dunno:

 

[Tiro Fijo]

That's a test for 1911's to check ejection. You have a Glock, not a 1911 nor a single shot flintlock. Put the mag back in, shoot the gun and lay off the Internet vids.

 

[Made in Austria]

That's not a good reliability test for Glocks. If you want your Glock to eject without a mag, then you need an Apex extractor. But I don't think that's a good justified reason to buy an Apex extractor. The reason why most Gocks can't reliable eject without a mag is because of the relatively high barrel tilt when the slide moves back. The downward motion of the chamber pushes the shell casing off of the breech face and the extractor while the slide moves back and the casing is still half in the chamber. The casing just fails to hit the ejector. The magazine and its follower act like a rail while the casing gets pulled out of the chamber.

But not always, exceptions are the rule. A lot depends on the slide speed. Hand racking to unload for example is normally no problem with no mag in the gun because the chamber doesn't move down fast enough, the casing has enough time to tilt down with it while the rim of the casing remains in the extractor claw. But when you shoot it without a mag then it most of the time ejects through the mag well or stovepipes. Chamber play plays a important role in higher tilting barrel handguns too when ejecting.

 

[oppi27]

Without a mag, my 19 or 26 will stovepipe every time.

 

[Bruce M]

Maybe firing it upside down without the magazine will work.

 

[Rev.357]

OK! The gun is not broke! If your life depended on the last shot without a mag & you pulled the trigger what happens? The gun fires & I hope you hit your target! If not it makes no difference what happens next! Why do you need to shoot it with out the mag?

 

[F-111 John]

If your life depended on the last shot without a mag & you pulled the
trigger what happens?

The gun goes bang, the empty may or may not eject properly, but in either case the slide will not lock back, so you will still have to insert a new magazine and rack the slide.

If the empty went out the mag well, you now have a loaded gun. If the gun stovepiped, you now have a loaded gun.

 

[Johncola36]

That's a test for 1911's to check ejection. You have a Glock, not a 1911 nor a single shot flintlock. Put the mag back in, shoot the gun and lay off the Internet vids.

Right. Lay off the vids. But I just sent the GD gun in twice, got a new gen 4 because I was told they could not find a good functioning 21sf. So to be honest, I still got weird ejection, that's why I tried this effin test and found this effin hickock vid.

Had to change the ejector in my g19 to a 30274 and glock wouldn't send me the part w/o an armorer. So had a few problems and thought I had another pos at the range.

I wanted to know if this crap w/o the mag was a problem given glocks stellar perfection over the past year or 2.

Hey it's a Glock. Must be me..

 

[Tiro Fijo]

...

Hey it's a Glock. Must be me..

We have a winner.

 

[cciman]

Ever locked the keys inside your car with the engine running.
Yes you can make your car do it...

Post some actual cases where the Glock stovepiped without an inserted mag in a real firefight, then we can discuss how pertinent this really is.

 

[tango44]

Without a mag, my 19 or 26 will stovepipe every time.

My G26 does not have a problem ejecting without mag!

 

[Johncola36]

Ever locked the keys inside your car with the engine running.
Yes you can make your car do it...

Post some actual cases where the Glock stovepiped without an inserted mag in a real firefight, then we can discuss how pertinent this really is.

Your right. It is pointless. My guns are fine.

 

[Johncola36]

That's not a good reliability test for Glocks. If you want your Glock to eject without a mag, then you need an Apex extractor. But I don't think that's a good justified reason to buy an Apex extractor. The reason why most Gocks can't reliable eject without a mag is because of the relatively high barrel tilt when the slide moves back. The downward motion of the chamber pushes the shell casing off of the breech face and the extractor while the slide moves back and the casing is still half in the chamber. The casing just fails to hit the ejector. The magazine and its follower act like a rail while the casing gets pulled out of the chamber.

But not always, exceptions are the rule. A lot depends on the slide speed. Hand racking to unload for example is normally no problem with no mag in the gun because the chamber doesn't move down fast enough, the casing has enough time to tilt down with it while the rim of the casing remains in the extractor claw. But when you shoot it without a mag then it most of the time ejects through the mag well or stovepipes. Chamber play plays a important role in higher tilting barrel handguns too when ejecting.

Thanks. I was just looking for a mechanical answer I guess. I was pissed off today. I have had numerous issues with ejection and I just chalked it up to another ejection problem cuz my 19 or 26 doesnt do this.

I did see the apex tactical vid on this and started to wonder. Thanks a lot. I wasnt trying to start a S@$T thread, I had some concerns and just wanted some feedback.
Thanks all :supergrin:

 

[Boot Stomper]

Your Glock 21 is obviously junk. Stop using it right a way. I'll give you $50 for it just to make you feel better. :whistling:

Why? Because I'm a nice guy. :supergrin:

 

[Bren]

:rofl::rofl::upeyes:

 

[dvc]

So, you got bored, and tried to shoot a Glock without a magazine inserted. And now you're pissed because it didn't eject without the magazine inserted? Wow.

Why don't you shoot the pistol the way it was designed, with the magazine inserted?

Don't get bored and do a stupid test and then get on the internet and complain about it.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

After a few fliers over my head I wanted to try firing the gun with a chambered round and no magazine. After the first shot I had a stovepipe. I tried another and it fell through the mag well. Tried golden saber 185 plus p, stovepipe. all of these were without w magazine while firing.

I was a little disappointed

 

[Johncola36]

So, you got bored, and tried to shoot a Glock without a magazine inserted. And now you're pissed because it didn't eject without the magazine inserted? Wow.

Why don't you shoot the pistol the way it was designed, with the magazine inserted?

Don't get bored and do a stupid test and then get on the internet and complain about it.

Stupid is, as stupid does.

Dont take me trash talkin my Glock personally dude... Lighten up my man..

Stupid??? Come on man! :winkie:



Still.....Happy Shootin.....

 

[Johncola36]

Your Glock 21 is obviously junk. Stop using it right a way. I'll give you $50 for it just to make you feel better. :whistling:

Why? Because I'm a nice guy. :supergrin:

Feeling much better; and looking a lot better too.. Thanks for the concern Boot Stomper. Nice too know I have a friend out there that would do such a thing....

 

[JBP55]

That's a test for 1911's to check ejection. You have a Glock, not a 1911 nor a single shot flintlock. Put the mag back in, shoot the gun and lay off the Internet vids.

This.