[aberrant]

The COA Glocks maybe great , but not a fan of a mini TV set sitting on my pistol.

The SCS looks much better. The attention to detail is pretty great - the fact that they matched the housing to the slide serrations is an indicator of quality.

 

[Kaiser 51]

Aberrant, agree! Attention to detail is key!

 

[Stantheman86]

Aimpoint may have to catch up , the German Army just ordered like 120,000 CZ P10Fs I believe with installed Aimpoint enclosed emitter dots . Probably not all in one batch but they can only crank out so many so fast

Military contracts get preference

 

[Stantheman86]

The SCS looks much better. The attention to detail is pretty great - the fact that they matched the housing to the slide serrations is an indicator of quality.

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That's my plan when my Gen 5 17 MOS arrives

 

[Leo Y]

That's my plan when my Gen 5 17 MOS arrives

Just curious, how were you able to buy or order a G17.5 MOS?

 

[G19213042]

The only question I have is, isn't there procurement processes that a government entity has to follow to to purchase/requisition stuff? And isn't that sometimes a prolonged and arduous process?

I'll bet a buck that they'll invoke a rapid fielding initiative to get them into units ASAP. Not having handguns in certain units is kind of an emergency situation.

 

[aberrant]

I'll bet a buck that they'll invoke a rapid fielding initiative to get them into units ASAP. Not having handguns in certain units is kind of an emergency situation.

As long as they don't purchase MIM parts from India for their internals, they'll do better than the current vendor.

 

[G19213042]

That kind of confirms a strong theory that I and others have mentioned time and time again. Glock is more interested in military/leo sales (contracts) than civilian sales. And that’s a good thing.

Your opinions, yes or no?

Colt went bankrupt by relying entirely upon government contracts and lost its capacity to make several firearms for which the company originally gained its good reputation. Ignoring a substantial part of the market is dangerous.

The story I learned about overreliance upon one customer sticks with me to this day. It's the story of Krispy Kream and AM/PM Minimart. AM/PM became such a lucrative portion of Krispy Kream's revenue at one point that AM/PM began to dictate terms to Krispy Kream that were horribly disadvantageous to the donut company, and it got away with it for quite some time because if Krispy Kream had lost its business with AM/PM, it would have had no other market to which to turn.

The same thing happened with Colt when it turned its attention entirely to government contracts. When the government cut back, Colt couldn't just magically shift back to relying on the civilian market overnight.

Glock should study those two cases. To butcher a quote from Valor Ridge, "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others"

 

[G19213042]

As long as they don't purchase MIM parts from India for their internals, they'll do better than the current vendor.

They'll stick with whatever vendors they're using right now.

By the way, that acronym "MIM" doesn't trigger images of molding parts when I see it. The first time I saw the acronym years ago, I thought people were griping about "Made In Mexico" parts. So, seeing "MIM parts from India" made me giggle for a moment.

 

[Glundy79]

OMG. What can we do to get one?

Enlist in the Air Force? 🤷‍♂️

 

[cattle dog]

I am one of the lucky people that obtained a blue label, 43X MOS COA. The Glock with the COA made more financial sense than putting a RMR CC on my other 43X MOS. As for Glock’s decision, though it is not good that civilian and individual officers are no longer able to purchase the COA pistols, that’s the way it goes, suck as it may.

Now to address COA prices on a certain gun selling brokerage web site that shall remain anonymous. Some gougers have listed their price as $1499.99. Though I am disgusted by their greed and that’s exactly what it is, it is their right to sell at these prices. Hopefully no one will be foolish enough to pay said prices because they must have one and have it now. Hopefully the gougers will sit on the pistols as unsold and get exactly what they deserve, nothing. Remember, once the COA pistols are back on the regular market and selling for normal prices, that $1,499.99 pistol will be worth all of $970.00 and not a penny more.

That’s my two cents worth.

 

[ADROKMCA]

Fair guess:

Homeland (HSI/CBP/ERO) is likely ditching the P320 for a Glock. Their budget is through the roof right meow. Glock is likely being eyed as a replacement, because CBP and Border Patrol runs them. Glock may also anticipate other agencies ditching the Sig (ie: Washington LE academy ban).

They have also phased out older models in 357 and 40. This could just be a streamlined business approach for supply and demand for contracts, general sales with anticipated supply chain issues due to tariffs? Are they going to release a Gen 6?

I could be wrong. But this is an interesting time to watch Glock.

 

[sk21]

What Lenny says has got to be true? He just said in that video that the EU has 50% tariffs into the US so Glock prices are going up dramatically. Only it's not 50%. It's 15%. I think he knows that.

The remaining 35% is for the Glock Store.

 

[jackmoineau]

The SCS MOS is an open emitter, green, 32/2 MOA reticle, automatic-brightness MRDS with a IP67 rated body. It's gimmick is low deck height and a solar recharged battery. Holosun is a Chinese company offering many recent innovations in optics, but has yet to make inroads onto duty pistols in LE and .mil such as the RMR.

https://mrdsqrc.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/scs_mos_16-1.pdf

The COA is a closed emitter, red, 3.5 MOA, manual brightness MRDS that can be immersed to 25m. It is a box design due to being closed, with a user replaceable 2032 battery. The A-Cut offers the advantage of mounting without the risk of impinging on Glock's EDP channel, which is my guess as to why it was offered on this combo. Aimpoint is a Swedish company with a history of providing high-quality optics for law enforcement use.

https://mrdsqrc.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/aim_coa_16-1.pdf

Both are solid choices, however I prefer manual brightness dots, and while interesting, I'm not sure the auto-adjust and solar power features of the SCS MOS have enough user-time to have been proven out. So of those two, I would pick the COA, as it should just work, out of the box.

Thanks for all the replies!
Since I can’t shoot a pistol anywhere but an indoor range here in Belgium, I’m thinking there’s not much point in going for a fully enclosed dot.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but with the Aimpoint cut you’re basically locked into that dot for the future, right?
Whereas with the SCS or MOS setup, I could just swap in whatever new optic comes out, even 10 years down the line.
My next Glock will be a 19 with a dot: go MOS and pick any dot I want, or just get a COA from the start? Btw, I like shooting at 25 m (a bit over 25 yds), is 3.5 MOA too big for that distance? And for once, we’re actually better off in Europe when it comes to guns — we don’t have those weird restrictions like in the US (e.g., the 17 MOS being LE-only,...).

 

[Hoss]

As much as I like my optic… this is not an issue for me on my carry guns because I don’t ever see me getting into a gunfight where I am shooting at distances I can’t hit with my irons. If I am unfortunate enough to have to engage at those distances... I have other options. I lived and worked in a Detroit for years too. If I shoot someone at optic distance and beyond... I am going to end up in a Detroit jailhouse… no thanks!

 

[Rich_J]

Thanks for all the replies!
Since I can’t shoot a pistol anywhere but an indoor range here in Belgium, I’m thinking there’s not much point in going for a fully enclosed dot.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but with the Aimpoint cut you’re basically locked into that dot for the future, right?
Whereas with the SCS or MOS setup, I could just swap in whatever new optic comes out, even 10 years down the line.
My next Glock will be a 19 with a dot: go MOS and pick any dot I want, or just get a COA from the start? Btw, I like shooting at 25 m (a bit over 25 yds), is 3.5 MOA too big for that distance? And for once, we’re actually better off in Europe when it comes to guns — we don’t have those weird restrictions like in the US (e.g., the 17 MOS being LE-only,...).

You may get a better discussion starting a thread with questions like this, or find one in the dot forum to comment in.

But anyway:

Aside from Aimpoint, there will be no A-Cut optics until the exclusive one-year agreement with Glock ends in December. As far as I know, no manufacturer has announced plans to license the A-Cut and produce dots to that footprint.

The SCS MOS from Holosun mounts direct to an MOS slide. Same for the other SCS sku's; e.g. SCS PDP, SCS VP9, SCS 320. All these direct mount to their respective slides. The SCS Compact is direct mount for RMSc.

3.5 Minute of Arc covers almost exactly 1"/25.4mm at 25 meters. This a very typical dot size for many commonly sold optics.

The Glock 17 MOS is a discontinued model, I believe, but I'm not sure 100%. I've never heard it was LE only. The Glock 47 MOS is essentially the same gun, and readily available for civilian and LE sales.

 

[mmcbeat]

Colt went bankrupt by relying entirely upon government contracts and lost its capacity to make several firearms for which the company originally gained its good reputation. Ignoring a substantial part of the market is dangerous.

The story I learned about overreliance upon one customer sticks with me to this day. It's the story of Krispy Kream and AM/PM Minimart. AM/PM became such a lucrative portion of Krispy Kream's revenue at one point that AM/PM began to dictate terms to Krispy Kream that were horribly disadvantageous to the donut company, and it got away with it for quite some time because if Krispy Kream had lost its business with AM/PM, it would have had no other market to which to turn.

The same thing happened with Colt when it turned its attention entirely to government contracts. When the government cut back, Colt couldn't just magically shift back to relying on the civilian market overnight.

Glock should study those two cases. To butcher a quote from Valor Ridge, "The lessons that we learn are written on the tombstones of others"

I hear what you are saying but I don’t see Glock relying entirely on government contracts, Glock realizes the importance of both military/leo and civilian sales but militarily/leo takes precedence.

 

[Will Beararms]

The COA Glocks maybe great , but not a fan of a mini TV set sitting on my pistol.

💯

 

[Will Beararms]

Thanks for all the replies!
Since I can’t shoot a pistol anywhere but an indoor range here in Belgium, I’m thinking there’s not much point in going for a fully enclosed dot.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but with the Aimpoint cut you’re basically locked into that dot for the future, right?
Whereas with the SCS or MOS setup, I could just swap in whatever new optic comes out, even 10 years down the line.
My next Glock will be a 19 with a dot: go MOS and pick any dot I want, or just get a COA from the start? Btw, I like shooting at 25 m (a bit over 25 yds), is 3.5 MOA too big for that distance? And for once, we’re actually better off in Europe when it comes to guns — we don’t have those weird restrictions like in the US (e.g., the 17 MOS being LE-only,...).

Well, you’re better off than most people in Europe ———- if you can own a pistol in the first place.

 

[Will Beararms]

Aimpoint may have to catch up , the German Army just ordered like 120,000 CZ P10Fs I believe with installed Aimpoint enclosed emitter dots . Probably not all in one batch but they can only crank out so many so fast

Military contracts get preference

The German Army with CZ 10PF’s? Very interesting.