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Discussion starter · #21 ·
You can pick apart just about any pistol one way or another but all of the pistols I posted are happily carried by many.

I have easily carried my P365 in an Alabama holster in the top pocket of cargo pants/shorts for the past 3 years.
No dispute there. And as I’ve stated in my original post, the P365 isn’t a good dedicated pocket gun unless you’re wearing cargo pants/shorts/5.11s etc. You could probably even get away with pocket carrying a G26 in your preferred style of pants.

What I consider a pocket gun to be is a gun that can reasonably be carried and easily drawn from the majority of pants pockets including non-baggy jeans and slacks.
 
My wife "has" a G42, (I'm the only one who ever carries it.)

I think the G42 is a great gun that stands on its own.

I've had the pocket 9's (pf9, cm9, and shot a 43)

I have an lcp... somewhere.


The G42 is a gun that is small and light enough to fit in your pocket, but big enough to shoot. Because it's chambered in .380, with the glock trigger, it is actually shootable. You could have fun plinking with it, if 380 wasn't so expensive. I wouldn't say the same of any of the guns listed above.

I think it fills a very worth while nich.
 
Discussion starter · #23 · (Edited)
Actually that is the X. I can and do carry my XL sans optic on my ankle or coat pocket. I have never liked anything in my pockets.
I find anything over 16-17 oz loaded becomes painful when carried on the ankle especially when running. The less mass the better for my ankle carry use. If it works well for you as an ankle gun, then I’m a little jealous!
 
I really like my G42, which I prefer carrying IWB or AIWB. When I carry it, I load it 7+1 rounds of Underwood 90gr XTP "+P" in the gun (with MagGuts+1) and carry a spare mag with Vickers+2.
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I also have two original LCPs, which I pocket carry during summer. But the LCP is rather painful to shoot, whereas the G42 is a joy to shoot with little recoil even when shooting powerful "+P" ammo.
 
Discussion starter · #25 · (Edited)
My wife "has" a G42, (I'm the only one who ever carries it.)

I think the G42 is a great gun that stands on its own.

I've had the pocket 9's (pf9, cm9, and shot a 43)

I have an lcp... somewhere.


The G42 is a gun that is small and light enough to fit in your pocket, but big enough to shoot. Because it's chambered in .380, with the glock trigger, it is actually shootable. You could have fun plinking with it, if 380 wasn't so expensive. I wouldn't say the same of any of the guns listed above.

I think it fills a very worth while nich.
That was perfectly stated and mirrors my experience with the G42 100%.
 
No dispute there. And as I’ve stated in my original post, the P365 isn’t a good dedicated pocket gun unless you’re wearing cargo pants/shorts/5.11s etc. You could probably even get away with pocket carrying a G26 in your preferred style of pants.

What I consider a pocket gun to be is a gun that can reasonably be carried and easily drawn from the majority of pants pockets including non-baggy jeans and slacks.
At times I do carry the 42 in jeans in an Alabama holster which does a great job of hiding the 42.
 
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Discussion starter · #27 · (Edited)
I really like my G42, which I prefer carrying IWB or AIWB. When I carry it, I load it 7+1 rounds of Underwood 90gr XTP "+P" in the gun (with MagGuts+1) and carry a spare mag with Vickers+2.
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I also have two original LCPs, which I pocket carry during summer. But the LCP is rather painful to shoot, whereas the G42 is a joy to shoot with little recoil even when shooting powerful "+P" ammo.
Great post. That was one point I forgot to mention in my OP. The G42 handles the Underwood 90 grain XTP +P like a champ and produces 1,175 fps at the muzzle. This bridges the gap between factory .380 and standard pressure 9mm while doing so in a significantly lighter gun that can actually be pocket carried in most pockets.

I’ve also thought about installing the magguts spring and follower but I’m concerned about potential FTF/FTE issues going outside OEM. How have they worked out for you so far?
 
I find anything much over 16-17 oz loaded becomes painful when carried on the ankle especially when running. The less mass the better for my ankle carry use. If it works well for you as an ankle gun, then I’m a little jealous!
I am 6' and 275. I used to carry a 20# gunbelt with a 47 ounce revolver. Before that in the Army I was an M-60 gunner and humped 110# of gear.I also did wilderness SAR and carried a 70# pack. I don't fret over ounces.

A 42 does not work for my hands. In Fact most Glocks don't work for me the ergo's suck.
 
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I am 6' and 275. I used to carry a 20# gunbelt with a 47 ounce revolver. Before that in the Army I was an M-60 gunner and humped 110# of gear.I also did wilderness SAR and carried a 70# pack. I don't fret over ounces.
Any stress fractures, back or knee problems? I’m a USMC Vet and did my fair share of humping weight. I’m 6’1 and 215 lbs.

Also, I don’t fret over ounces either for any belt gun. I sometimes carry my Springfield 1911 Operator at 42 oz empty or my 3 inch 686P. It just takes a proper holster and sturdy gun belt. Although these aren’t my preferred EDC weapons.

Since the intent of my original post concerns pocket carry, ounces absolutely matter and weight becomes a critical factor when a gun is carried in that manner.
 
That it does. It replaced my Desantis. If it wasn’t for the wait times, I’d own more of them for my pocket sized guns.
For whatever reason, Alabama holsters take 2-3 weeks at least to get. Even with popular pistols. Vedder makes the same type of holster with probably faster delivery.
 
Great thread OP. I’ve wondered how the G42 compares in size to the Micro9.

Years back, I remember going to a local gun show not long after the G42 came out. I was talking to one of the venders and he stated he was having a very hard time selling the G42. At the time, maybe a few of the handguns had issues in the first rollout, and were not popular. Good to read that’s all changed.

My only .380 is the Ruger Max purchased early July and I carry it often.
 
I prefer the original LCP to the G42, but can understand why many think differently.

Why? I am one that finds the G42 too big for the role it fills for me.

I don’t find the LCP unpleasant to shoot at all and only carry it when I need something tiny.

Otherwise, 99% of the time I have a G26/G19 on me.
 
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Great thread OP. I’ve wondered how the G42 compares in size to the Micro9.

Years back, I remember going to a local gun show not long after the G42 came out. I was talking to one of the venders and he stated he was having a very hard time selling the G42. At the time, maybe a few of the handguns had issues in the first rollout, and were not popular. Good to read that’s all changed.

My only .380 is the Ruger Max purchased early July and I carry it often.
The Ruger Max has interested me. Has Ruger managed to work out some of the issues regarding the inadvertent mag release and slide stop on the last round? I’ve read that at least in the early release, this was a well known potential problem. I’m sure Ruger has likely addressed this potential issue however.
 
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The 42 is easy to carry in a front Jean pocket. It’s easy to carry in a cargo pocket also. Even nicer is the fact it shoots easily and accurately. Manipulation is easier with the 42 than most pocket sized .380 pistols.. I carry it a great deal of the time. Magazine’s are a breeze to carry loosely..
Exactly. The 42 fits and draws well from all of my jeans, slacks and shorts pockets that take a belt. With an Alabama or similar holster, it looks like a wallet or cellphone. It’s somewhat at the edge of a true pocket gun only due to its slightly taller/ longer than micro .380 dimensions but it never steps over the line and this turns out to be a major benefit considering the much more capable and consistent draw, superior shooting and handling from out of a pocket compared to the smaller and lighter .380 guns.

The G42 stays better anchored in the pocket as well, further aiding a more consistent draw stroke without shifting around with the holster nearly as much compared to the LCP or similar from the average sized jeans or slacks pocket.

Realistically, the only time this may potentially pose an issue is gym shorts/ track pants carry not because of the size necessarily but the 2-3 oz additional weight over the LCP 1/2. Here the micro .380 wins over the G42 and not because of its slightly shorter overall height and length, but the decreased weight of the slide and components.

The 15-17 oz loaded S&W 340/642 and 15-16 oz G42 are a little too heavy factoring in having to run/ move dynamically with only a drawstring and very loose pocket material common in gym/ track pants clothing to retain the gun/ holster within the pocket. In this case, shedding every potential oz possible becomes a factor. This is also why my P32 at 9.5 oz loaded is my #1 gun for running/ working out. #2 spot goes to the P3AT (1.5 oz lighter than LCP 1).

Something like a Belly Band holster completely negates this penalty although I would still prefer nothing heavier than the S&W Airweight or G42 with this carry method whilst running or working out.
 
The G42 is in a unique class of firearm. It’s larger than typical .380 pocket pistols such as the LCP 2 while being smaller and lighter than the micro 9mm P365/Hellcat. There are some popular misconceptions regarding these size comparisons and the specific role the G42 excels in. I will address all of these.

1.) The G42 is too big for a .380

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The G42 is longer. It has a more robust slide and barrel geometry with a longer overall length than smaller pocket guns. The barrel is 3.25 inches long compared to the majority of pocket pistols of 2.5 inches with a corresponding increase in muzzle velocity and defensive .380 JHP performance particularly expansion and penetration through denim.

Ballistically, the G42 is capable of bridging the gap between factory .380 and standard pressure 9mm with the Underwood 90 grain XTP +P. This loading produces 1,175 fps at the muzzle and the G42 is unique in that it can feed these rounds like a champ without stressing the gun unlike any smaller micro .380 gun. I wouldn’t want to shoot this through an LCP but I’ve fired well over 200 rounds of it through my G42 with no issues and only slightly more felt recoil over factory .380 ACP. *

* Special Note: My much maligned Beretta Pico is also unique in this regard. While very small and thin, the stainless steel slide/barrel components are very robust for a micro .380 more so than the LCP. Factory rated for occasional .380 “+P” ammunition as stated in the manual and in my testing, the Buffalo Bore 100 grain +P hardcast and Underwood 90 grain +P XTP feed and function flawlessly albeit with 30% + more felt recoil than factory standard. Considerably more “snappy” compared to the G42. Still, a very cool if not extreme design as a pure pocket gun in every conceivable way at the expense of its shooting and handling characteristics.*

The dual captive recoil spring assembly of the G42 is much more capable of higher round counts compared to any micro .380 ACP. In conjunction with the heavier slide, the G42 experiences significantly less muzzle flip. The recoil is almost non-existent using factory .380 ammunition. I can shoot this model ridiculously fast and accurately and can place hits with it much more reliably at longer than typical self defense distance compared to the LCP 2. I’ve placed two holes touching at 7 yards with this gun and can achieve .25 splits. That’s not happening on any .380 micro that I’ve used or tested over a wide range of different models over the years.

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The G42 is taller. Less than a half inch more overall height than the LCP 2. But the G42 is also the thinner gun in the frame and this is even more readily apparent compared to the LCP MAX. The G42 slide despite being heavier is only very marginally wider and hard to measure without a caliper. Overall, the G42 is the flatter gun compared to the LCP 2 and MAX. The longer gripping surface also leads to far superior shooting and handling characteristics compared to typical single stack .380 guns. This touches upon the unique role of the G42 and perhaps it’s biggest advantage.

The G42 handles like a real gun. It doesn’t feel like a toy in your hand. Weapon manipulations with it are much easier in a stressful environment than smaller pocket guns when changing mags, operating the slide release, slingshotting the slide or clearing a malfunction. Imagine doing that with bloody hands on a Beretta Pico, LCP or Kahr CW380.

The G42 is the smallest and lightest .380 that will still shoot and operate similarly to a service sized subcompact while maintaining Glocks well established reliability and durability over many thousands of rounds. An advantage over more compact .380 pistols with smaller and more fragile internal/external parts, trigger springs, recoil springs, chamber thickness, etc.

That means you can train to a very high level of proficiency with the G42 that wouldn’t typically be possible with the LCP models without requiring repairs and trips back to the factory. The ability to put 500-1000 rds through a G42 in an afternoon of shooting with a weapon this small and light is remarkable for a pocket gun weighing 12.5 oz empty.

The G42 can handle this level of shooting in a boringly reliable and comfortable way. This wouldn’t be recommended with an LCP or similar model. These smaller guns will not take that level of regular abuse, are typically much less pleasant to shoot and they experience malfunctions at a higher rate on average.

2.) The G42 is too big for a pocket gun

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This is perhaps the biggest misconception of the Glock 42. As pictured is the G42 in a Desantis pocket holster in the off hand pocket of straight legged Levi flex 514 jeans. I don’t like the look of baggy or loose pants but I also don’t wear skinny jeans either.

The G42 is the largest and easiest to shoot polymer framed gun that can still qualify as a lightweight dedicated pocket or ankle pistol that can easily be carried in the majority of straight leg jeans, slacks or shorts with a gun belt. I find that as long as the gun conceals, can easily be drawn from a pocket at a reasonable weight, then there is no practical need to go smaller as that just serves to handicap shooting-handling under stress. The G42 grip being slightly longer is also much easier to consistently draw with under pressure as you get a better firing hand grip on the gun than you would with micro .380 guns.

The only time I feel the need to carry a smaller .380 is when I’m in gym shorts with only a draw string as the G42 while still being lightweight at 15.5 oz loaded, the LCP II is about 2.5 - 3 oz lighter. Even better still would be my Kel-Tec P32 which only weighs in at 9.5 oz loaded. Weight savings becomes critical when wearing gym shorts on a hot summer day.

3.) The G42 is the same size as the P365/Hellcat

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I find this misconception to be the most common. The G42 is about the same length as the Micro 9mm and is about a quarter inch shorter or more in height. That is where the comparison in size and weight between the two come to a full stop. The Hellcat/P365 are significantly wider in the grip frame and have much heavier slides that are designed to handle 9mm +P pressures.

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There is no comparison in how the two carry in pocket or on an ankle where weight is critical. The P365/Hellcat aren't a pocket gun for almost any pocket outside of cargo pants, 5.11s, etc. They are too heavy and wide for a dedicated pocket pistol that should weigh under 16-17 oz loaded.

Loaded Weight:

Hellcat - 23.1 oz
PM9 - 20 oz
Glock 42 - 15.5 oz
LCP 2 - 13 oz


The Hellcat/P365 increase in size over the G42 is just enough that getting a full firing grip on the gun while still being easy to draw from the pocket opening is decidedly more difficult in straight legged or tapered jeans and slacks.

The Kahr PM9 single stack 9mm almost makes the cut as it’s almost identical to the overall size in H/W/L to the G42 but its 4.5 oz heavier weight precludes it from being a true pocket gun at 20.1 oz loaded.

The Micro 9mm best intended role is a minimalist style belt gun that is lighter, more comfortable and easier to conceal than double stack guns such as the G26 / G19.

To conclude, the G42 serves a unique purpose in bridging the gap of weight, shootability and size between the micro .380 and the subcompact/micro 9mm while remaining easy to pocket carry in most attire. The G42 is truly a unique firearm because it excels in this role better than any other handgun can.
With your Hellcat/P365 comments, I'm guessing you don't own a P365. The Hellcat is a chunky girl next to the P365. My Hellcat is in the safe in the basement, but my 42 and P365 are in front of me right now. I've posted photos of them together on here before. The physical size difference is virtually imperceptible. The grip on the Sig is a smidge thicker, side to side, but the 42 is a smidge longer, front to back. From the bottom of the magazine to the top of the rear sight is a dead match at the rear, but due to the angled magazine, the Sig is a tad taller on the finger side of the grip. "Smidge" and "Tad" are Pidgin metric terms. I'm kinda slim in the middle, so 505s have been my go-to for decades, although I refuse to buy Levi's anymore. I'm not really a cargo pants kind of guy. I can get by pocket carrying a 42, 43, P365, I just prefer not to. That's what I have my Bodyguard for. I actually pocket carried my wife's 42 for a while in a Desantis and thought it worked pretty well. Pocket carry for me is more about size than weight. It's not like we're talking pounds here. A 4 or 5 ounce weight difference, it really doesn't matter to me. A lot of people pocket carry J-frames, but a 642 looks like a chunk compared to these little guys. I like the P365 platform, but I've never fired the .380 version. I've sang the praises for the 42 since it's release. It's a bigger .380 for good reason. The Smith & Wesson .380 Shield EZ is even bigger for essentially the same reason. I love my .380 Bodyguard and win the lottery tonight, I'm not replacing it. It serves a purpose, but it's just no fun to shoot. The 42 is easy to shoot all day long, even for a new shooter.
 
The Ruger Max has interested me. Has Ruger managed to work out some of the issues regarding the inadvertent mag release and slide stop on the last round? I’ve read that at least in the early release, this was a well known potential problem. I’m sure Ruger has likely addressed this potential issue however.
My July 2022 example has locked back on every round.
 
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