[BigMick]

Eye teeth are pretty rare in this world. You shouldn't be so quick to give them up! There's a lot more G18's out there than eye teeth...

I beg to differ. Everyone has or had 2 eye teeth or canines, if that's what you prefer, I would guess no one has 2 Glock 18s.

 

[Rich17L]

That Endo stock is interesting. It could be used with an AR15 wrist stabilizer or a regular stock if you used a 16" barrel. A carbine in 10mm might make a pretty cool little gun

The Endo Tactical stock is the best option for the Glock. Watch any slow motion vids of the other stocks flexing like a water hose.

 

[TheDoubleJ]

I read an article last year or so where a competition shooter ran the same course, once with a G18, once with a G17, back to back. His score with the G17 was substantially higher, said something about just not being able to control the G18, too fast.

Doesn't change the fact that I want one, bad, and 9mm ammo is cheap enough to waste.

 

[glockhoarder]

The G18 is an excellent weapon. It's extremely controllable as long as you know how to shoot it.

This is me at the Glock 18 Operator's School at Glock in GA shooting a 31 or 33 (can't remember) round burst:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQLywdG4m4&feature=youtu.be


We were all able to easily place all rounds in a relatively tight group.

If someone who is not trained to shoot full auto is handed a G18 on auto the third or so round will be in the air. Like anything, being able to shoot full auto well requires proper training and practice.

There is no tactical purpose to the firing of a long, sustained burst from a G18. The only purpose in doing so is to demonstrate weapon control.

I have taken many select fire schools. I've attended the MP5 Operator and Instructor Schools at HK, G18 at Glock, the NRA Select Fire LE Instructor Developement School and many others. In each school one was required to fire sustained bursts to demonstrate weapon control. In fact, in each school a sustained burst w/in a specified diameter at a specified distance was required to obtain a graduation certificate.

The correct tactical application of full auto fire from a pistol, SMG or rifle is short, controlled, accurate bursts. When employed as such such fire is very effective w/in the appropriate range.

The only reason for burst guns is to substitute for the lack of training to effectively employ a full auto weapon. This is why the troops in general are issued burst guns and spec ops, civilian SWAT teams, etc don't use burst guns (in general).

The G18 is a fantastic weapon. There are more of them around than people realize. In civilian LE they are usually issued to K9, protective details, SWAT and Jump units.

The G18 also demonstrates what fantastic pistols that Glocks are in that they can take thousands of rounds of full auto fire w/no problems.

 

[glockhoarder]

I didn't realize they came out in 1985.... That means there are probably some privately transferable examples out there. I wonder what an individual would have to pay for one now?

Being foreign made they would have to be pre 1968 to be transferable. Thus, there are no transferable G18s.

 

[RenegadeGlocker]

I read an article last year or so where a competition shooter ran the same course, once with a G18, once with a G17, back to back. His score with the G17 was substantially higher, said something about just not being able to control the G18, too fast.

Yep, most folks with no training or experience with firearm shoot it poorly and thus come that conclusion. Of course, if you know what you are doing, you can clear a plate rack in under 1 second.

 

[glockhoarder]

Yep, most folks with no training or experience with firearm shoot it poorly and thus come that conclusion. Of course, if you know what you are doing, you can clear a plate rack in under 1 second.

Awesome!!

 

[kf4zra]

The g18 looks fun, however my mini UZI fires just as fast and is fairly accurate. I put all 32 rds in a 6ft radius at 100yds in 2 sec.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EkD-OVLxag

 

[glockhoarder]

Nice shooting!! Love the mini-UZI!

 

[Bill1954]

Fact is, there is a situation and purpose for everything. I don't believe I will ever be in a situation that would require a G18. But around the globe there are probably a lot more people that have found a need for one, and can use it very well. What some refer to as "useless" just means they have no personal use for it, or they suffer from the inability to use it effectively. There appears to be a rather large demand for them around the world, so some folks are putting them to good use. Just my two cents.

 

[glockon]

i used to believe guncomic books, but i used to trust media &gov. theni turned 20 &started to read & think. apparantly us millikes to maintain the myth of useless selectfire as they have always been a psyops tool with teeth. like police. ever meet an actuall corrupt politician that would have nerve to steal from you without hired guns? go to any machinegun match & learn just how ignorant you are.

 

[Core781]

Is this the reason the Army changed full auto M16's to (3) round bursts (back in the 80's)???? Round one is most accurate, then second less, and third even less accurate....?? According to the Army that is.

The recoil impulse of the M16 in 3 shot burst is very accurate with all three shots fired. They developed different burst cams that were more effective than the originals. The M16 was never as effective in burst mode as some newer platforms like Famas in 3 shot "Rafale" mode because to be truly effective in 3 shot burst the projectiles must leave the barrel by the time the recoil impulse reaches the shooter and throws the sight picture off target. The M16 in burst is very accurate in the hands of a skilled marksman. The issue was not accuracy of the second and third round, but the dangers of squeezing the trigger and only getting three rounds on target. The Air Force and Army figured they would save ammo expenditure and keep the M16 from overheating. The Navy and Marine Corps followed suit. At some point the Marine Corps/Navy realized the burst was causing issues in CQB use and rallied to upgrade to full auto. All were updated by the time I served in the Navy. I discussed this with numerous recon and operators back in the day and most were taught that the burst is a liability. Most Raiders and Seals I worked with used semi auto when we boarded ships/VBSS and most CQB. I liked auto for CQB, as I would aim for the chest and by the time my finger let off the trigger id walk the fire up to the neck or head. Finger burst as we called it. It is scary accurate when you are well trained on the M4/M16. I learned by using a myriad of Naval weapons you can bear down and control LMGs like Mk48 with no problems. Even a Para60 the teams used could be muscled to shoot extremely accurate in auto fire. I used MP5SD and Navy mpstly for VBSS or a Remington 870.. I could keep a MP5 mag dump in 3inches at close range due to its weight and low recoil. I can imagine a G18 is like any other machine pistol and with the proper handler, can be extremely effective at CQB. It would be great for very tight quarters like vehicle carry and have an additional SMG or SBR on standby off body for longer engagement.

Is this the reason the Army changed full auto M16's to (3) round bursts (back in the 80's)???? Round one is most accurate, then second less, and third even less accurate....?? According to the Army that is.

 

[Bren]

I consider the G18 in AUTO mode absolutely useless. What practical value is any handgun with a 1200 rpm cyclic rate? Even a 30-year old Ruger P85 would be a better weapon.

Well, it puts multiple rounds on target faster than you can pull the trigger several times and, since your trigger finger only moves once, it should do it more accurately, so there's that.

I can see that it's not a necessity, but I can't imagine a shooter not understanding its utility.

 

[G29guy06]

I consider the G18 in AUTO mode absolutely useless. What practical value is any handgun with a 1200 rpm cyclic rate? Even a 30-year old Ruger P85 would be a better weapon.

Why don’t you ask the German/ Austrian police as it was made for them...and they make a shoulder stock for it- I have the stock...

Back in the early 80s police were on the tail end of Munich. They patrolled in airports in teams of 3 on guard for the terrorism threat. They wanted at least one long gun for suppressive fire- however they didn’t think a troll call they’d get volunteers to carry the “target” (a long gun). So the G18 was born

 

[geefal]

Yep, most folks with no training or experience with firearm shoot it poorly and thus come that conclusion. Of course, if you know what you are doing, you can clear a plate rack in under 1 second.

I actually did a happy little giggle watching that. That was awesome

 

[mmcbeat]

If I had a Glock 18 I would go through my monthly ammunition budget in a very few minutes.

 

[alnicoG22]

34 rounds in 1.7 seconds if I remember my math. A 3 round burst sounds like a good option. Having to reload again after 1.7 seconds sounds depressing.

 

[Dr357sig]

I'd hate to have to carry all the spare mags

 

[Glockdude1]

I'd hate to have to carry all the spare mags

It would a labor of Love, to carry a G18 & mags.

:thumbsup:

 

[Glock_HK]

I've seen these for sale gen 1-5 for plastic bb applications

WE gen 5 and Tokyo Maru OEM/Aftermarket parts.

CO2 Airsoft now available through Umerax G34 in europe !