We had 124 +P at work. Now we have 147gr +P. Only time I noticed any difference was with the LCR 9mm. 147gr shot a little high.

No issues with either through Gen 3 or 17, Gen 5 19 or my 43

 

Thanks John. My vendor doesn't offer 147+P, so it would be a standard pressure load. Any noticeable difference in recoil, muzzle flip and follow-up shots with +P over standard pressure rounds? I feel a definite difference between my range ammo (Armscor 124 FMJ) and the HST 124 standard pressure. Enough difference to determine the outcome in a gunfight? Who knows?

As I recall, the FBI is going with HST 147 standard pressure. As long as reliability is consistent across the HST line, I can't believe terminal performance would be THAT much different in a violent encounter. Mainly, I'm concerned about reliable function in both the 43 and the 26.

 

HST 147 std pressure shot very well out of my G26-4 - very reliable, accurate, and manageable recoil pulse.

If you believe the internet, the heavier/slower round loses less velocity through a short barrel than a lighter/faster one. The 147 would be my choice.

 

I choose 124gr std pressure for my G43. At SD distance of point blank to 10 feet, does it matter? Heaven help us, now some 9mm loads are unmanageable.

 

I can't speak directly to your particular Glocks, or the +P rounds either, as I have shot none of them, except in combinations different from those in your question. However, I do shoot HST 147 standard pressure in all my 9mm Glocks - which are now the 43X, the G4 19, and the 19X - and they all run very well with this ammo. The recoil is no problem, accuracy is excellent, and the impulse feels a little better to me than with the lighter bullets. On the 43X you do have to grip the gun a little more firmly than with the bigger pistols, because you have less mass to soak up the recoil, but that is true of about all other ammo types as well. FBI type ballistic tests with the 147's show them to be excellent, and unless you are trying to shoot through car doors, I doubt you'd need the +P's.

 

I use 124 standards.

I'd feel comfortable with any of the three options.

 

I don’t think you’d have any problems with standard or +P

We use Americans Eagle 147 for range ammo, and I don’t notice much difference between that and the HST 147 +p when loading a mixture in the magazine. I can’t tell which is which when shooting drills. I MAY be able to tell if I was going slow and analyzing each shot and how it felt.

 

No issues with 124gr or 147 +p in my 26/5.

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IMHO, +P ammo is a no go for me in my G26. Too much muzzle flip and increased recoil - I have doubts about the increased powder load has a chance to burn in such a short barrel. I shoot 124 grain JHP in mine, no +P.

FWIW, I shoot 124 grain +P in my G19.

 

Regardless of bbl length, highest vel will be achieved with slower powders or higher powder charges used in shorter bbls. You just get more blast.
I like +p ammo in my g26, 124 or 147, HST.

 

I use 124gr Gold Dots in my Glock 19, but I use 147gr HST Micro in my Glock 43X and love it!

 

Thanks to you all. Maybe I'll call the vendor and see if they got some of the 124 standards into inventory. Apparently it's been awhile; something about Federal's plant in Anoka, MN. I could probably live with the 147 because an old LEO friend and competitor always said the .40 S&W was designed around the 180 grain load and he felt that recoil impulse was manageable (of course, he was a 5-gun IDPA Master last time we really connected).

Great input; much appreciated.

 

Buy all three versions and choose the one you feel is optimum. Save some of the others for backup self-defense ammo.

 

Thanks people. I decided to change my order to 147 standard pressure and they are being shipped out today. I'll give them a full test with both guns before carrying.

 

I shoot the 124 standard HST out of a 43 because I've read of feeding problems in that gun with the 147 grains.
I'm comfortable with either as far as quality carry ammo. My Kimber Micro 9 likes 147 grain. I have Winchester Defend in it because that's the 147 grain carry ammo I had at hand when I bought the gun. HST is good too.

 

Interesting. I visited the Lucky Gunner website (Labs tab) and just about all the Federal HST loads perform about the same, except for the 124 grain +P stuff. Hmmm. Oh well, it certainly beats a .22.

 

I prefer 147 gr, but I have 124 gr, too. I have no use for +P.

 

I shoot 124+p in all of my glocks. Unfortunately HST had a price jump everywhere

 

124 +P in my 19.4 and 43. Difference in muzzle flip is.negligible with the stress-fire grip, and the added velocity is useful with (a) shorter barrels, and (b) added clothing layers in cooler climes.

YMMV.

 

How is it useful? Can you give some detail please

 

I used to carry HST 124gr std pressure in my G43s but switched to +P recently. I can tell the difference in recoil but not that much. They are equally reliable and accurate shooting from my G43s. I just like the added velocity for my short barrel 9mm pistols.

 

I think if you are slitting hairs, 124gr
ammo is a little more reliable feeding in most 9mm pistols. And if penetration is adequate, it is still where you put the bullet that counts

 

Stay away from +P. To much recoil for no gain. Hst 124 or 147 is the choice.

 

Some here might find the following to be of interest.

https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/9mm-p-vs-standard-9mm-hp.1724308/

Recoil of +P and even +P+ is not that much more than standard pressure to me, but recoil is one of the most subjective things in shooting. When I used a .40 a lot more than I do now, I found the recoil of the hottest 9mm to be roughly equal to the lightest of the .40 S&W duty loads, the subsonic 165 grain, in the same full-size Glock platform.

Looking at institutional experience, some departments have been happy with standard pressure 147 grain subsonic (i.e, Portland Police Bureau, LAPD, LASD) and some have not. LVMPD, CHicago PD,Jacksonville (FL), and NYPD (early Transit and Housing Authority elements) were not happy with 147 subsonic, went to 1124 +P Gold Dot, and reported much better results from their 9mms.

If you go standard pressure, definitely go with the more modern designs (HST, PDX-1 or Ranger, etc.) Personally, from slaughterhouse to street results, I'm still more comfortable with 124 +P and 127 +P+.

Best,
Mas

 

Some here might find the following to be of interest.

9mm+p vs standard 9mm hp

21 Savage? Lol

 

FWIW,
When I contacted Speer to inquire about the difference between their 124gr GD +P and 124gr GD “Short Barrel” +P, Technical Supervisor at Speer told me that their “Short Barrel” version is loaded “hotter,” so the projectile would still reach the optimum velocity for proper expansion after going through a short barrel of less than 4”.

Along with Massad Ayoob’s expert opinion, this is also something to consider when considering effective self-defense ammunition for sub-compacts....

 

Back when I worked at a LGS/Range, it was astonishing how many times people came out of the range and needed "hollow points" because they had literally just shot all their carry ammo. Much of this was during ammo frenzy times so the pickings were slim.

In today's supply situation, I can't imagine not carrying the exact round I want. Don't shoot the last of the good stuff before ordering replacements. While Glocks are usually very forgiving on new ammo profiles, I prefer to know my particular gun will feed when I need it to.

In 9mm HST, my choice would be 124gr non +P. If I had to wait a month or two to order, that'd be OK.

 

FWIW,
When I contacted Speer to inquire about the difference between their 124gr GD +P and 124gr GD “Short Barrel” +P, Technical Supervisor at Speer told me that their “Short Barrel” version is loaded “hotter,” so the projectile would still reach the optimum velocity for proper expansion after going through a short barrel of less than 4”.
Along with Massad Ayoob’s expert opinion, this is also something to consider when considering effective self-defense ammunition for sub-compacts....

Ayoob has been on and off the bandwagon so many times it’s ridiculous. He is played out. Go with standard pressures.