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Extended slide stop preference 43x?

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#1 ·
As I practice reload drills one thing has become obvious. It's probably time for an extended slide stop. I don't need anything obnoxious, but the OEM slide stop just doesn't have enough purchase to get the 43x into battery quickly and back onto target.

There don't appear to be a ton on the market. The names that pop up in search are Ghost, Vickers, Double Diamond and Tyrant. Any others?

What do you like and why?
 
#2 ·
Sort of interested in this as well as a lefty. There's just not enough meat there on the slide stop to hit with my trigger finger to lock the slide back, and I hate having to put the gun in my right hand just to lock the slide back. Ghost and Vickers would probably be my first two considerations.
 
#4 ·
I do own a two-tone Glock 48 but I left the factory SSL on the gun as I don't shoot it enough to consider putting anymore upgrades on it outside of some fiber optic sights, S15 and steel catch, and a DPM recoil spring, but I did look at extended SSLs a while back.

I would not recommend the Double Diamond house brand from Glockstore. The hole that is cut in these levers is inconsistant and too narrow at the bottom to the point of being out of spec.
 
#5 · (Edited)
None.

Extended stop can be a problem with a carry pistol. Also, "doesn't have enough purchase to get the 43x into battery quickly" should not be a concern since Glock says it is not a "slide release" & recommends the "slingshot" method. They say that is the only way to get the full slide travel preferred to chamber a round, since the stop lever does not hold the slide all the way back.
 
#13 ·
I'm currently running the Tango Down/Vickers extended stop. It's much better than the stock lever, but not great for my personal preference. Locks back on empty with stock mags and my 6 gen 2 S15s. If you are concerned about keeping the pistol as slick as possible while still having more purchase it's a good option. It doesn't stick out much more than the stock lever, just enough to make manipulating it more feasible. I really like the Ghost bullet forward design on my G19, but they don't offer that for the G48/43x as of now. I'm actually contemplating building up a shelf on my stock lever using TIG and shaping it to my liking. Should be a fun project.

As far as Glock stating that the lever is not supposed to be used to release the slide, that is actually not the case. It's another one of those rumors that sprang up from somewhere (probably a Glock salesman back in the day to explain the lack of a shelf on the lever to some 1911 guy complaining about it) that gets repeated ad nauseum and the internets justff won't let die. Glock says either press the slide stop lever down OR grip the rear of the slide by the serrations and pull back to release. I personally prefer the lever, though I generally go with the Howe/Vickers method of using my support hand thumb. As far as causing a problem on a carry gun, not so much. It's probably not an exageration to say millions of pistols have been carried with a much larger slide stop/release lever than anything found on a Glock, extended or otherwise, without it having ever been a problem. But at the end of the day as long as you're getting the bad guy deterrent pills in the injector tube, life is good, do what works for you that you can do on demand without having to think about it.


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None.

Extended stop can be a problem with a carry pistol. Also, "doesn't have enough purchase to get the 43x into battery quickly" should not be a concern since Glock says it is not a "slide release" & recommends the "slingshot" method. They say that is the only way to get the full slide travel preferred to chamber a round, since the stop lever does not hold the slide all the way back.
I answered his question: "What do you like and why?"

I have used many extended slide stop levers on Glocks for competition. For carry (especially IWB carry), my personal choice is to keep the gun a "clean" as possible. I have learned to lock open the slide with standard stop fairly well... & I do not use the stop to release the slide. I, too, believe that the extra 1/8" of slide travel is insignificant - I was just stating what the manufacturer says.
 
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Ghost extended slide release, extended slide lock and Truglo TFX Pro sights. View attachment 918150
Obviously you didn't opt for the stainless steel version. How is the finish on it?

None. Extended stop can be a problem with a carry pistol. Also, "doesn't have enough purchase to get the 43x into battery quickly" should not be a concern since Glock says it is not a "slide release" & recommends the "slingshot" method. They say that is the only way to get the full slide travel preferred to chamber a round, since the stop lever does not hold the slide all the way back.
You make a good argument. I get that and understand that the pistol needs to be gripped firmly when you do that sort of release because it requires all the force it can get. But the difference in distance from locked back to fully pulled back with slingshot, assuming you would pull it fully back is only 1/8". I agree that it might make a difference given some circumstances. I am pretty habituated into using the slide stop with my 1911 and if I go onto auto-pilot in a situation and go for the slide stop I'm not going to whiff it. But if you have an extended slide stop there aren't any rules that say you have to use it any or all of the times. It's one of those "better to have it and not need it" types of things. I also like to lock my slides open if unloaded when I put them away so I don't even have to think about what condition they're in when I pick them up again. Not so much of an issue with the standard stop, but might make things a bit easier.

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#8 ·
I answered his question: "What do you like and why?"

I have used many extended slide stop levers on Glocks for competition. For carry (especially IWB carry), my personal choice is to keep the gun a "clean" as possible. I have learned to lock open the slide with standard stop fairly well... & I do not use the stop to release the slide. I, too, believe that the extra 1/8" of slide travel is insignificant - I was just stating what the manufacturer says.
 
#10 ·
I have a Ghost on my 43X because I couldn’t lock the slide without it as a lefty. But I had the spring fail and fallout after only a few hundred rounds. Ghost sent me a new spring priority mail, though. I’ve put probably another 500 rounds since without issue. I do still worry about the long-term durability.
 
#12 ·
I’ve used Vickers extended slide stop/release on my G43s in the past, but now I’m running Ghost extended lever on both of them and on my G42. Ghost lever fits better than the Vickers without excess play. Also, it does not have sharp edges like Vickers level.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I have to wonder if the habituation of using the slide stop to release the slide is a 1911 thing? In 30 plus years of shooting 1911 I think it would be a rare occurrence that I would use the slingshot method. With the 43x when not pressed for time my natural motion is to hit the slide stop but I think with a mag change my tendency is to pull back on the slide.The jury is still out on that as I’ve not done enough quick make changes in life fire situation.But in the same life for your situation with my 1911 almost definitely hit the slide stop.

I’ve been really happy with the ghost extended slide release is it gives me enough purchase to hit the stop when necessary and still have it stay clear of my thumbs. If nothing else it makes it easier to lock the slide back which I found to be a pain with the oem stop.
 
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#16 ·
I’ve been really happy with the ghost extended slide release is it gives me enough purchase to hit the stop when necessary and still have it stay clear of my thumbs. If nothing else it makes it easier to lock the slide back which I found to be a pain with the oem stop.
I also like the Ghost lever because the pad is “extended” just enough and also “raised”, whereas Vickers lever is “raised” but not really “extended”...
 
#15 ·
I would tend to agree with you. To clear conjecture, a bit of history of the design philosophies of both pistols are in order. So be forewarned, long winded engineering/history geek out incoming.

To start the 1911 was designed from the ground up purely for combat purposes, full stop. A robust, simple design that was easy to use to kill the enemies of our nation, could be utilized even in conditions that the combatant was not in full fighting form (injured, etc.) and maintain in simple repair with field expediency (read they weren't custom tuned race guns of today). Easy to manufacture with the state of industry at the time, consolidating many of the features found on all modern auto pistols. JMB in his wisdom designed the slide control lever to have an empty magazine actuated slide stop built into it (originally patented in 1902, and later simplified in his 1911 patent to combine it as "an integral part of the handle of the pivot pin" thus having fewer overall parts in the pistol). But it has always been designed as a manual means of both locking the slide back, and the main method of releasing the slide. Keep in mind pistols, and the 1911 in general were originally designed to be used one handed, often from horseback (pistols mainly being the purview of officers afterall). Full, easy control of the pistol with one hand was a necessity. That was also the purpose of not having a full length guide rod or full length dust cover. You could easily chamber a round by pressing the end of the bottom of the slide against something solid to fully cycle the slide. For me personally, that hasn't altered at all. I want to be able to have full use of a pistol one handed, preferrably with the same manual of arms with either hand (yay for ambi controls). Having only one arm free due to carrying groceries/kid is common, and extremity hits tend to be a common form of GSI also, so I want to be able to deploy the weapon without having to resort to things that I don't train with the same vigour as normal manipulations (racking with the sights on your belt, boot, etc.). I still train those too, just not as much. After that, almost every auto pistol designed with defensive/fighting use in mind had the same feature, until Glock came along.

Glock was initially designed mainly for budget constrained militaries, with under trained soldiers (a very large portion of which were conscripts). It had to be inexpensive (not cheap), and easy to gain proficiency with in undertrained personnel. That means as simple a user interface as possible (no manual safeties, etc.) And it was a resounding success in that. Gaston took an engineering challenge, and designed an amazing tool within the constraints he was given, that happened to turn out to be an amazing tool in general, and put the autoloading pistol in the hands of the masses so to speak (not too much of an exageration). The design was simple, had a simple manual of arms, was robust, accurate and very reliable, and also was not expensive to produce. Does that sound handy for another similar (minus the conscripts, hopefully) large force of people that carry guns? Like police departments? Glock became a perfect update to widespread PD usage of revolvers. Same qualities that made it excellent for the aforementioned militaries made it a perfect fit for the average officer in the average PD. In the case of officers that mainly used revolvers, however, it went beyond the benefits that the Austrian Army received while replacing the P38: larger capacity before reload was necessary, easier and faster reloads for the majority of users (Miculek aside ;p), more ammunition possible/easier to carry, easier to shoot accurately, plus built in safety systems that made an auto safer in the type of confrontations that an officer was likely to encounter than other simple autoloaders of the day. Plus, it was very newbie friendly in regards to training to proficiency. Glock is unarguably one of the easiest pistols to train new shooters to use with proficiency and safety. All in all, Glock can only be counted as a success. As far as the slidestop being meant as a slide release also, Glock absolutely considers it a viable method of releasing it, hence the fact that it has serrations/lines (on every stock Glock I've ever shot I've never had a problem using the factory lever to release, excepting the new thin frames, they suck stock if you like the lever release. I just like having more purchase so I put extended stops on my Glocks) But his original clientele had no need of anything that might require extra training (not looking for the next Wyatt Earp), they were going to be taught to rack the slide for malfunctions and administrative loading anyway (simplified training), and a simple stamped sheet metal part is much more time/cost effective than a cast/machined part (budget concerns). Hence, Glock went with a simple, stamped sheet metal control lever/stop. It works, it fits the design and budget criteria, and his clients were happy with it.

When I'm training someone who is new to pistols, I generally recommend a inexpensive tupperware pistol (Glock, M&P, XD, HK VP9). I also train them to sling shot the slide anytime they need to manipulate it or release it for a new magazine. I show them how to use the lever with both their support hand and main hand, but I don't encourage them to waste the limited amount of training time they are actually going to put into it on a technique that while, yes, is a good bit faster in gunfight time, is also a wholly separate technique that requires separate practice to be proficient. If they are actually going to be a student of the pistol though, I encourage them to actually train all the methods enough to be proficient, and then decide what their main technique will be. So yes, slingshot everything is great for the average pistol owner/carrier (and largely conscript militaries) because it allows them to get the most out of the little training they are going to do/get. However, that doesn't negate the benefits of using the lever to release the slide to someone who is actually going to seriously train to use their tools to maximum effectiveness. It's demonstrably faster in getting back on target after reload, like 3-5 shots faster with someone who trains regularly. So, FOR ME, when it counts, I would personally prefer to put more lead into the bad man who needs to go away, so I train to use the lever w/ support hand manipulation.

Sorry for the long winded post, but I wanted to put some background and actual pros/cons and examples of when each method would be better utilized instead of the usual, "it'll get ya killed in da streetz/You gone get prosecuted and fry in da chair for that mod" bs internet dead horse rumor mill that inevitably pops up anytime something like this pops up.
 
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Sorry for the long winded post, but I wanted to put some background and actual pros/cons and examples of when each method would be better utilized instead of the usual, "it'll get ya killed in da streetz/You gone get prosecuted and fry in da chair for that mod" bs internet dead horse rumor mill that inevitably pops up anytime something like this pops up.

....I haven't been able to find any good pics of the Ghost, but I like their other offerings. I wish they would do a bullet forward type for the slim line.
It was lengthy, but informative, accurate and offered practical explanations that are spot on. Thanks for posting it. Here is what the Ghost extended slide stop looks like from two perspectives.

As I look at the photos it occurred to me that there is only one reason Glock didn't produce a more protruding slide stop: COST. It probably cost a few pennies more to punch out the protrusion than produce a flat piece of stamped out metal. It seems to me the financial success of Glock is to a great extent the wide margin they can achieve by cutting corners on basic parts that simply function, knowing that there is an ocean of better 3rd party replacements of many of the cheaper parts (trigger shoes, sights, slide stops, etc) that we seem all too happy to spend extra for when the upgrades are already included from other mfrs yet the basic pistols including what Glock owners would consider premium parts are similarly priced with Glock (or cheaper).
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Here is a picture of it on my G43, if it helps…
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You can see that there is no sharp corners or edges on the pad of the Ghost lever that can catch on something or hurt your thumb when you try to depress it under stress….
 
#27 ·
Man this new 43x I got, I ordered a new trigger for it cuz it's a Glock, but rather send it back to the company with details of what I don't like, I ordered a new one, AND...AND the slide release takes both my thumbs and all my strength to get that dadgum thing to work. So I got on the computer and have a "new" one coming. I Love this new 43X I just got, but have only shot 30 bullets through it and hated how the bugs have ALMOST ruined my day. But I'll have a damn good gun, next week!!! Can't wait!! 😁
 
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Ghost extended slide release and Deltac slide locks (off Ebay) on my Glocks.
 
#33 ·
As I practice reload drills one thing has become obvious. It's probably time for an extended slide stop. I don't need anything obnoxious, but the OEM slide stop just doesn't have enough purchase to get the 43x into battery quickly and back onto target.

There don't appear to be a ton on the market. The names that pop up in search are Ghost, Vickers, Double Diamond and Tyrant. Any others?

What do you like and why?
Does Glock make an extended version for the 43X? If so, have you tried it? I got a Tangodown/Vickers extended version for my G19.5 a few years back, only because the OEM version wasn’t available. Thing started rusting way too fast. Switched to the OEM version. No problems with rust. Mongo happy now.
 
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Sunshine I've been using extended slide releases for more than 10 years on Glocks with nary a problem. I've developed the skills at using them as they were intended, instead of a useless ornament, since I was first issued a 1911 in 1970. That would be 52 years ago for the math challenged.

Just imagine developing a skill how not fug up when actually using it as a side release as John Browning intended.. Will wonders never cease......
 
#42 ·
Over the top rack of the slide: Easy to perform, yes. But slower to reload under pressure, also a yes. We shouldn't just choose things because they are easy. We should choose things because they are efficient. Over the top is not an efficient practice when trying to reload quickly from slide lock, getting the gun into battery, and then getting your hands back into the firing position.

Look you using over the top manipulation or using a side release makes no difference to me. Use what you feel comfortable with, but one size does not fit all.
 
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#43 ·
Understood. Nor did I say it was the only thing you should practice. I do however feel like it's good practice to start with and fall back on. I've been fortunate to have never been in a situation where the time saved releasing the slide with the stop would have meant the difference between life or death. I have however, had trouble operating the slide stop with cold and wet hands. For me, the negatives of unintentional interaction with extended controls outweigh the benefits and I treat the slide locking back like a happy coincidence I could exploit. The stock slide stop works well enough when I choose to use it. I just usually don't.