[bigleaf]

I was at the range today. Gen 3 G26. From the holster drill... draw and click! Bad primer? Nope, not even a dent. Clear, draw and click! Clear and click! Nothin'. Nada. This is my carry gun and I had no hint that my srtiker was broken the last time out. Holy cow! Anyone know why this might have happened? I'd like to figure it out. I've ordered a new one, and a new spring, cups and sleeve, all factory. But what could have caused it?

I'm disconcerted, as this is my carry gun and I want to be able to rely upon it. If you've seen this before, or know what might be the real problem, I'd sure like your input. I've included a photo of the broken one from the 26 and an unbroken one from a 34, to show the difference. But, if you're familiar with the striker, the first photo's dramatic enough. Thanks for your help.

 

[JR]

I really do not recall ever seeing a broken spade on a factory striker. I recommend you contact Glock Inc and provide the serial number of the pistol. It may help them track down a bad lot of strikers?
Odds are they will provide a new replacement

 

[bigleaf]

Just emailed Raphael in Smyrna. He and Fred are both really good about getting back to you with good information. I'll see what they say. I've ordered a new striker, spring, cups, and spacer sleeve, anyhow. Even if they decide to replace something, I'll feel better having the parts in my cleaning/tools/parts kit that I keep in the range bag.

It sure is weird, though. I've never heard of such a thing happening. I can't quite imagine even HOW it would happen.

 

[bigleaf]

Talked with Glock on the phone and the fellow there was just as perplexed. He said, "That's odd. Our parts are... robust! Why don't you send it in?" Robust! That means tough as nails, right? So, the whole slide assembly, barrel, recoil spring and all went back to Smyrna yesterday. He thought it odd enough that the armorer there might just want to go through the whole thing and see what the cause might be. We'll see.

 

[JR]

On a side note: We (LWD) break off the striker spades on all our show guns. This way our customers can feel a trigger job and be completely safe from an AD. This kinda makes us pros at breaking the strikers and I can honestly tell you they are very tough. Its pretty hard to believe one could break on its own?

 

[Thistimeonly57]

I was at the range today. Gen 3 G26. From the holster drill... draw and click! Bad primer? Nope, not even a dent. Clear, draw and click! Clear and click! Nothin'. Nada. This is my carry gun and I had no hint that my srtiker was broken the last time out. Holy cow! Anyone know why this might have happened? I'd like to figure it out. I've ordered a new one, and a new spring, cups and sleeve, all factory. But what could have caused it?

I'm disconcerted, as this is my carry gun and I want to be able to rely upon it. If you've seen this before, or know what might be the real problem, I'd sure like your input. I've included a photo of the broken one from the 26 and an unbroken one from a 34, to show the difference. But, if you're familiar with the striker, the first photo's dramatic enough. Thanks for your help.

Check this out.

 

[Zerodefect]

Mim being mim. Put a billet piece in.

 

[Pistolay]

I was at the range today. Gen 3 G26. From the holster drill... draw and click! Bad primer? Nope, not even a dent. Clear, draw and click! Clear and click! Nothin'. Nada. This is my carry gun and I had no hint that my srtiker was broken the last time out. Holy cow! Anyone know why this might have happened? I'd like to figure it out. I've ordered a new one, and a new spring, cups and sleeve, all factory. But what could have caused it?

Does it have a really high round count?

 

[Parzival]

you guys re aware this thread is 10 years old...right?

there seems to be a rash of newly registered members bumping up really old threads lately.

 

[Corey043]

I have seen several chipped and eroded ones but never one snapped off like that. Glock tried to tell us it was the ammo we were using eroding the strikers. I think it was a bad batch personally.

corey

 

[FullClip]

Too much "perfection" was added.....makes things brittle.

 

[Walter Bishop]

you guys re aware this thread is 10 years old...right?

there seems to be a rash of newly registered members bumping up really old threads lately.

I think you are noticing a lot of old threads being revived because of the new site design. There now is a feature called Recommended Reading at the bottom of the threads. People are likely clicking on them not realizing they are old.

 

[Nick B]

That happened to to G17 Gen4 at just over 8k rounds . No dry firing .

 

[Paintshirtred]

I have seen several chipped and eroded ones but never one snapped off like that. Glock tried to tell us it was the ammo we were using eroding the strikers. I think it was a bad batch personally.

corey

It usually is the Ammo. Have seen it in a Gen 1 17. Guy hears that I am a Glock Armor and brings me the Pistol. I ask to see his ammo and it was CZ 9mm machine gun ammo. Checked with head Armor Frank Dinuzzo. He confirmed it, "Some ammo has hard primers" used for open bolt machine guns.

 

[cciman]

Only certain thing in life is death.
Birth is not a sure thing.

Even taxes can be Trumped-- as in taking in billions yearly, but somehow only paying $750 in a year (that is dollars, not millions) because of loopholes, but somehow gets lost in the noise of other things, so lost into the universe of things...like humans in a few years, as death becomes a certainty.

 

[fastbolt]

It usually is the Ammo. Have seen it in a Gen 1 17. Guy hears that I am a Glock Armor and brings me the Pistol. I ask to see his ammo and it was CZ 9mm machine gun ammo. Checked with head Armor Frank Dinuzzo. He confirmed it, "Some ammo has hard primers" used for open bolt machine guns.

Yep, one of the first things needed to begin diagnosing whether its an ammo problem is to learn all of the ammo that's been used.

If any non-toxic "green" ammo has been involved, which Glock has previously warned armorers could cause erosion of FP's and breech faces, then the amount of it used needs to be determined. (Some ranges and training venues require non-toxic ammo be used.)

Harder primers, or using something as a dry-fire 'snap cap' that has a hard primer cup substitute, also needs to be considered and determined.

In my notes from one of my armorer classes 3 years ago, a gun company instructor told us that pierced primers and non-toxic ammo had been observed to result in erosion in at least a couple of major agency tests of a couple of different gun company's pistols.

One major PD noted that 70 out of 75 eroded FP's were found in one academy class using non-toxic ammo.

One fed agency observed that up to 90% of the FP's in another gun company's pistols exhibited erosion when tested.

FWIW, we were told that it was thought to be the aluminum in the non-toxic primers causing the erosion, because it burns hot and "cuts" metal. The change from chisel point FP's to (the more traditional) round point FP's was reportedly made in the Gen5 Glocks to help reduce the potential for primer perforation (and supposedly at the request of a fed agency).

Avoiding the use of foreign 9mm "machine gun" ammo has been known for many years. Ditto the use of the heavy bullet "hotter" subgun ammo (158gr black tip, if I remember?).

Harder primer cups in factory ammo would probably have to be determined by discussions with either the ammo maker, or a gun maker (who has presumably made such a determination for themselves and their products).

 

[tango44]

That happened to to G17 Gen4 at just over 8k rounds . No dry firing .

Does the armorer manual says how often does it have to be changed, I guess is every 5K rounds!

 

[Doc Holliday]

Mim being mim. Put a billet piece in.

THIS, EXACTLY.

 

[Paintshirtred]

Does the armorer manual says how often does it have to be changed, I guess is every 5K rounds!

Make sure Ammo is specifically Pistol std pressure.

 

[Paintshirtred]

Yep, one of the first things needed to begin diagnosing whether its an ammo problem is to learn all of the ammo that's been used.

If any non-toxic "green" ammo has been involved, which Glock has previously warned armorers could cause erosion of FP's and breech faces, then the amount of it used needs to be determined. (Some ranges and training venues require non-toxic ammo be used.)

Harder primers, or using something as a dry-fire 'snap cap' that has a hard primer cup substitute, also needs to be considered and determined.

In my notes from one of my armorer classes 3 years ago, a gun company instructor told us that pierced primers and non-toxic ammo had been observed to result in erosion in at least a couple of major agency tests of a couple of different gun company's pistols.

One major PD noted that 70 out of 75 eroded FP's were found in one academy class using non-toxic ammo.

One fed agency observed that up to 90% of the FP's in another gun company's pistols exhibited erosion when tested.

FWIW, we were told that it was thought to be the aluminum in the non-toxic primers causing the erosion, because it burns hot and "cuts" metal. The change from chisel point FP's to (the more traditional) round point FP's was reportedly made in the Gen5 Glocks to help reduce the potential for primer perforation (and supposedly at the request of a fed agency).

Avoiding the use of foreign 9mm "machine gun" ammo has been known for many years. Ditto the use of the heavy bullet "hotter" subgun ammo (158gr black tip, if I remember?).

Harder primer cups in factory ammo would probably have to be determined by discussions with either the ammo maker, or a gun maker (who has presumably made such a determination for themselves and their products).

Good solid information.