Although i will be at the range shooting as much as i can. There will be times when i cannot make it there due to location and work. Does anyone recommend a safe and effective dry fire training system for the g17?
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I believe I am a far better shooter than my annual round count would indicate because I enjoy dry fire work and do it 3-5 times a week. My "system" has been gradually cobbled together over the years and honestly would take too long to write out. I would suggest you approach every dry session with a goal to perfect one element of your shooting, and pay close attention to anything that goes wrong... almost any mistake made in dry training calls for an equipment or training tweak.
That said, I watched this video a while back and was impressed that he mentioned a number of things I'd learned over the years that I don't remember anyone else on the web saying. It's not an entire system, but it's a solid start to one, I think.
Aforementioned laser cartridge is a decent tool, personally I bought a SIRT training pistol https://nextleveltraining.com/product/sirt-110-training-pistol-2/ after years of being uncomfortable spending that much on a gun that doesn't even shoot bullets, but I believe it's entirely worth the money to have a laser 'hit' indicator AND a resetting trigger (which the laser cartridge cannot do). I bought mine specifically to practice rapid fire trigger control and my rapid fire groups tightened up significantly after a month of use with no actual rounds fired.
Extra training gear aside, though, a simple, well-thought-out dry training routine will show dividends at the range with no added expense. A few drills require dummy rounds or snap caps, which are cheap.
Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
That said, I watched this video a while back and was impressed that he mentioned a number of things I'd learned over the years that I don't remember anyone else on the web saying. It's not an entire system, but it's a solid start to one, I think.
Aforementioned laser cartridge is a decent tool, personally I bought a SIRT training pistol https://nextleveltraining.com/product/sirt-110-training-pistol-2/ after years of being uncomfortable spending that much on a gun that doesn't even shoot bullets, but I believe it's entirely worth the money to have a laser 'hit' indicator AND a resetting trigger (which the laser cartridge cannot do). I bought mine specifically to practice rapid fire trigger control and my rapid fire groups tightened up significantly after a month of use with no actual rounds fired.
Extra training gear aside, though, a simple, well-thought-out dry training routine will show dividends at the range with no added expense. A few drills require dummy rounds or snap caps, which are cheap.
Hope this helps, let me know if you have any questions.
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In the overall scheme of things, dry fire is more important than live fire. When you start out shooting, a certain amount of live fire is necessary to acclimate yourself to the gun going off. The length of that period varies from shooter to shooter.
As you progress, you'll be able to see more and more that there are only a few elements present in live fire that are not present in dry fire. At first, dry fire may seem like a gross approximation of live. As you gain experience, live fire will start to look more and more like dry fire, with a little animation of the gun thrown in.
Dry fire is more convenient for most people to do on a daily basis. Additionally, dry fire removes the distraction of the gun going off, and other distractions associated with the range. With practice, dry fire can show you how clear and crisp live fire can be, even in a very dynamic shooting environment.
As your mechanical and visual abilities increase, you can refine your understanding of what's happening with the gun in live fire by comparing what you see in live practice to what you see in dry practice. Dry practice gives you a neutral basis for understanding what you see in live fire.
As far as the hardware aspect goes, I would set up a second G17 with a reset trigger, but otherwise exactly like your live gun. If you get serious about dry fire it's also nice to have dry mags loaded with weighted dummies. That saves the time of having to load and unload mags. Dry mags and ammo also get pretty hammered from being dropped tens of thousands of times.
As you progress, you'll be able to see more and more that there are only a few elements present in live fire that are not present in dry fire. At first, dry fire may seem like a gross approximation of live. As you gain experience, live fire will start to look more and more like dry fire, with a little animation of the gun thrown in.
Dry fire is more convenient for most people to do on a daily basis. Additionally, dry fire removes the distraction of the gun going off, and other distractions associated with the range. With practice, dry fire can show you how clear and crisp live fire can be, even in a very dynamic shooting environment.
As your mechanical and visual abilities increase, you can refine your understanding of what's happening with the gun in live fire by comparing what you see in live practice to what you see in dry practice. Dry practice gives you a neutral basis for understanding what you see in live fire.
As far as the hardware aspect goes, I would set up a second G17 with a reset trigger, but otherwise exactly like your live gun. If you get serious about dry fire it's also nice to have dry mags loaded with weighted dummies. That saves the time of having to load and unload mags. Dry mags and ammo also get pretty hammered from being dropped tens of thousands of times.
I have a SIRT laser training pistol. Identical weight and specs of a Glock 17. The weighted mag drops out, too.
I have laser targets that I place in the house at different distances.
It has helped significantly with trigger control and discipline. I practicing drawing from concealment, from a holster, and point shooting.
There are smokeless ranges one can purchase (PC, PROJECTOR, Screen), and I've strongly considered doing it instead of a media room.
I just don't want to have to deal with a ND. Best $200 I've ever spent.
I have laser targets that I place in the house at different distances.
It has helped significantly with trigger control and discipline. I practicing drawing from concealment, from a holster, and point shooting.
There are smokeless ranges one can purchase (PC, PROJECTOR, Screen), and I've strongly considered doing it instead of a media room.
I just don't want to have to deal with a ND. Best $200 I've ever spent.
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Thanks for that! Will save up and order one.
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You can spend as much or as little as you want for dry fire training. You don't really need anything except a weapon that is empty and safe with no ammo in the room. It is great for draw, presentation and trigger control as long as it is properly done.
I have a yellow barrel that I use just to ensure that my pistol is empty and safe and that I don't get careless and put a round through the TV or into a neighbor's house.
You can get some really cool stuff and I probably have an old beam hit sitting around but I don't use it. I will say the SIRT pistol and dry fire mag look pretty slick.
I spend a fair amount of time doing dry fire practice and I know for a fact it makes a difference when I hit the live fire range. What you spend to do it is up to you. If I was a high level competitor without a sponsor I would probably have some of the cool stuff. But I do it to remain proficient between live fire training days.
I have a yellow barrel that I use just to ensure that my pistol is empty and safe and that I don't get careless and put a round through the TV or into a neighbor's house.
You can get some really cool stuff and I probably have an old beam hit sitting around but I don't use it. I will say the SIRT pistol and dry fire mag look pretty slick.
I spend a fair amount of time doing dry fire practice and I know for a fact it makes a difference when I hit the live fire range. What you spend to do it is up to you. If I was a high level competitor without a sponsor I would probably have some of the cool stuff. But I do it to remain proficient between live fire training days.
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Thank you all so much!!! I have alot of decisions to make now....LoL
Im.going to have to convience my better half i need some more equipment. She shoots to but has a M&P 9c
Very informative video N4CDLAW!!!
Im sure glad i found this forum and the information available is wonderful. Thanks again all!
Im.going to have to convience my better half i need some more equipment. She shoots to but has a M&P 9c
Very informative video N4CDLAW!!!
Im sure glad i found this forum and the information available is wonderful. Thanks again all!
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Dittos the great advice; you can buy those blue plastic weighted blue magazines from Amazon to use as well if you're setting up a real gun for dry fire practice. I eventually went to the blue laser Sirt and target as well though. $200 well worth it.
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I like all my dry fire hardware to be exactly the same as my live gear - basepads, mags, sights, grip tape, frame tweaks, everything. I wouldn't have any use for something like SIRT. It has a valid application, but not for me. The laser feature is about the worst thing I could possibly do for dry training.
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The particular blue SIRT I got is an exact replica of a GLOCK 19, and I even applied a Talon grip set to the grip and skateboard tape to the side of the frame to mimmick my actual EDC 19. That said, I also have another identical 19 to my EDC that I load with dummy rounds to practice with too.
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Most of my development is focused on competition, so that's where my core skills come from. I shoot a 34 in production. I keep 4 of them in rotation: match, dry, practice and 1 relatively new one on deck for when the practice gun wears out.
I use my dry gun most days at the range, so it and the practice gun are what I usually take. There have been a few days when the practice gun broke, and I had to swap triggers and use the dry gun as my live gun.
I usually carry a 19. So carry mechanicals are just a matter of switching gear. The actual shooting and vision skills transfer between guns. I have a practice 19 set up for production ammo, which I can just use with my actual carry gear at the range. I don't use a reset trigger with the 19, that transfers from the 34.
I also have a SIRT pistol and have coupled it with LASR software for training (you can make anything a target). I have several courses of fire set up on cardboard that I can set up and tear down in just a few minutes. By far, one of the best investments I've made. I practice almost every night.
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Same here, it's a great training tool and you can use their software,the lyserlite targets and/or just plain targets.
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It isn't trigger control you're after, it's milking the grip control. I'd just tape a target to the wall near a lamp that is shining on it and sit across the room, in less light; this way, you can watch the sights and what they are doing, on the target, as you squeeze the trigger. I personally wouldn't go for any gadget guns or gadgets that aren't going to be on the gun when you're actually shooting it. You WILL, however, be watching the sights while you're shooting. Don't over think it.
Oh yea...make sure no real boolits are in the gun when you're dry firing.
Oh yea...make sure no real boolits are in the gun when you're dry firing.
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Yeah, it really is annoying and distracting when the gun goes off
...especially when you're learning to shoot.LOL!!!
I believe that dry firing is a good means of becoming accustomed to a particular firearm's trigger, or when newcomers are "getting a feel" for their first firearm while initially trying to figure out which eye they're dominant with when aiming at themselves in their bedroom mirror, but after those two issues are realized, dry firing is a waste of time - there is absolutely no better means of learning or trying to improve one's shooting than to engage in live fire. The only people to disagree would be the one's selling Snap Caps, dry fire systems, and shooting instructors, all of whom do so for a profit.
This is why new drivers are taught to drive in actual automobiles on the road, new golfers practice with real clubs on an actual golfcourse, new divers are taught to don real equipment underwater, new climbers nervously hang 20 foot off the ground on figure 8's as they ascend real vertical rock walls, etc.
Ammo is relatively inexpensive nowadays, even for those calibers that were just a few years ago deemed prohibitively expensive, so that lame excuse for not being able to shoot is out the window. And if learning to shoot or wanting to polish your skills as a marksman is important than by all means indulge yourself, have at it, spend some money on ammo and range time. Make the time if you have to, set the DVR to record that game, stop buying Starbuck's for a month, give up cigarettes, sell the game system!
Placing too much emphesis on dry fire results in a negative effect when the time comes for the shooter to actually shoot their firearm. This actual event of discharging a firearm is what it's all about, it's the ultimate goal, no? Live fire is the sole purpose of owning a firearm (outside of a collector), and this is where the familiarity with firearms begins or is sustained for the gun owner. This is the only way to fully understand the relationship that exists between a gun owner and his/her device that very effectively subjects them to Newton's Third Law of physics, "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction", the only way to help them through actual experience to appreciate the knowledge of how to react and how not to react, and finally the only way for them to build and maintain confidence in their abilities so when the time does come to perform in perhaps their first shooting competition they'll find themselves having perforated their first 10x ring with a smilie face, or if they find themselves alone on a dark street facing a possible altercation with some bad guy or guys, they'll be more than ready and able to exercise their right to self defense and won't be the least bit distracted by the "gun going off"...as many times as necessary.
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