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Did the cops act correctly part 2: blondie laid out in fire ants

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I can see a host of reasons why someone would find themselves face down in the grass in handcuffs.
How could the officers possibly know that was the exact spot of a fire ant nest ….. impossible.
So the question / measure is “what do you do when you know for sure.
A) Release her from cuffs to let her deal with the ants
B) Use a cloth or towel to wipe the ants off of her
C) Take her top off and pick every ant off carefully.
D) Hose her down with water.

It’s just bad luck and a no win…….
 
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I can see a host of reasons why someone would find themselves face down in the grass in handcuffs.
How could the officers possibly know that was the exact spot of a fire ant nest ….. impossible.
So the question / measure is “what do you do when you know for sure.
A) Release her from cuffs to let her deal with the ants
B) Use a cloth or towel to wipe the ants off of her
C) Take her top off and pick every ant off carefully.
D) Hose her down with water.

It’s just bad luck and a no win…….
Welcome back! I've missed seeing you!
 
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The video clip is only 18 seconds long. This means that the media edited the video to a specific 18 second clip to align with the headline. Thus there is not enough information in which to make an informed decision one way or the other.
  • Was she struggling prior to the clip?
  • Was she spitting on Officer's? That would be a prime reason to restrain on the ground.
  • Fire ants swarm quickly. With all that was going on prior to the clip and during the clip the Officer may not have realized at that instance there was an actual concern. And in all actuality, even stepping in an fire ant pile, which happens in one second is enough for them to swarm your foot. I know, I live in Florida and we have fire ant aplenty.
  • The Officer may have responded by lifting her away from that spot at the 19 second mark, but we don't know because that is when the media cut the clip.
So all in all it's an incomplete article with an edited clip that doesn't provide the necessary details to make an informed decision. If there is a lawsuit then both sides can present their full evidence and what happens happens.
 
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Watching the video I see no evidence whatsoever that any officer held her face in a pile of fire ants.

fire ants are quite common in fl where I lived and often there was no sign of a pile. You would just be standing in the grass one minute and being bitten by a swarm of ants the next.
 
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What REALLY sucks is pulling a traffic stop on the FL Turnpike in deep South Dade as a rook, about 4am, in July....& making contact on their passenger side & then standing there for about 3 mins getting their i.d.'s & story as I didn't realize that I had my right boot squarely on top of a pile. Don't worry the ants let me know they weren't happy about my intrusion.
Yup. That sucked BAD. Never made that mistake again.
 
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Fire ants are funny the ones in Texas would kill all the grass around their mound, while the ones in Georgia didn't. I didn't mind them much in Texas you knew where they were. In Georgia it was break out the gasoline and give them a taste of fire.
I'm assuming the difference was the grass somehow, but who knows.

If I were a judge, I might consider time served if the officer really held her in a fire ant nest. Of course i'd have to reprimand the officer for being foolish enough to touch someone being swarmed because that's how you get swarmed. :p
 
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She begged to be removed from the ants and the cops ignored her plain and simple.

It doesn't matter if she was an A hole before the video started because she was not a threat to the several cops surrounding her.
In my estimation threats don't cease to be threats unless they are dead.
 
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Watching the video it looks like she was already cuffed and the one officer was holding her down. I counted at least 6 officers present so why was she being held immobile by one officer? Were they waiting for a transport for her or what?
 
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She begged to be removed from the ants and the cops ignored her plain and simple.

It doesn't matter if she was an A hole before the video started because she was not a threat to the several cops surrounding her.
Did they ignore her? What happened at the 19+ second mark and beyond? We don’t know because the video was cut at the 18 second mark.

the vid speaks volumes.
Yes it does. It says ‘agenda through creative editing to force a narrative‘ because it does not provide the complete context. No one here can judge the incident based on 18 seconds of video and no direct firsthand knowledge of before and after the 18 edited seconds.
 
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The point is simply that you can’t make an educated determination of the incident because you do not have all the facts. 18 seconds worth of edited video is not proof one way or the other. Since you don’t know what transpired before or after the edited clip, any conclusion is emotion-based rather than factual-based.
 
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We had three videos as part of our in-service curriculum. We started out by showing an edited clip of one segment of an incident for each with no audio and only one angle. Each one in-and-of-itself would give the 'that's terrible' reaction. Then we would play the complete incident with audio and several angles and it would be an 'I get it now' moment. For example, woman in a cell standing up from a bunk and the Deputy slams her into the back of the cell. The clip is from the rear perspective of the woman. When the full video was played, including audio and different camera angles you hear her say she's going to kill the Deputy as she pulls a shank from under her clothing and is rising up towards the Deputy. In the clip you can't see her hands, hear her threat or can really see the forward moving towards the Deputy. In one of the other videos it's a cruiser dash cam where you see an Officer pull into a gas station, exit his cruiser and shoot a man walking away in the back. Again, looks horrible. But then the full video shows a different dash cam view from another cruiser that was pulling into the station at the same time, only this time it shows the front view of the suspect. The suspect has a pistol and is raising it towards another Officer who was on foot and coming around the corner of the gas station. The first Officer could see it from his angle even though you can't see it at all in the first dash cam video.

Point is that more information that 18 seconds is needed to clearly make a decision for or against. She has a suit pending where all the facts will be presented. If the Officer(s) were in the wrong it will be presented and whatever appropriate action taken. If they weren't wrong in their actions they'll be exonerated. Have to have all the facts to make the correct judgement.
 
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