Not much bigger than an LCP with 9mm payload. True pocket 9 if they run. Have read reviews that are all over the place. Plenty non-flattering, though. More than 1/2 probably limp-wrist issues.
Diamondback DB9 - any verdict yet?
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While some shooter's problems may be due to limp-wrist it is no where near 50%. I personally know of four shooters, instructors all, that cannot get the gun to work reliably, even after adjusting their grips (not all the same gun but FOUR different guns and FOUR different instructors).
What I believe is that the gun is so small for a 9 mm that it is walking a fine line. Any variance in ammo dimensions, slide speed, magazine spring strength, geometry of magazine follower, etc, from design specification will cause the gun to malfunction. I have finally found a load which works in mine MOST of the time (Hornady Critical Defense) but nothing else that comes close to reliable function.
Have not yet returned my gun to Diamondback as I wanted to figure it out on my own, but am likely to do so before summer.
If I cannot get it to run ten boxes of Critical Defense without malfunction will likely sell it as I have no use for guns that don't function reliably.
Good to know. I was out with a buddy day before yesterday and a guy at the gunshop my buddy wanted to go to was trying to sell this thing HARD! To my buddy and then to a guy that started looking at it because bud was. I tried to steer him to something else. He wants something for when he is riding his motorcycle and just to carry in general.
Anyway! Thanks for posting about these issues. Def gonna show him this thread
Anyway! Thanks for posting about these issues. Def gonna show him this thread
I am a DB9 owner. Looks like a Glock. Performs like a ....
First 200 rounds: FTE, FTF every mag. Feed ramp chipped but it didn't affect feeding.
Took it to the gunsmith in town. He adjusted the lips of the mag. Worked like a charm with some Walmart ammo. I tried it with mag tech ammo. Jammed like a POS. I bought 2 more mags and took it to the gunsmith. He adjusted the lips. I used Federal and Hornady. Shot like a champ.
I had walking pins. I got the fix which worked like a charm.
Took it out again. Just 115 grain FMJ. No +Ps, ever used. At round 565, the trigger wouldn't reset. Thought it was a bad spring. The frame was cracked. It has been sent back to Diamond back.
I'm ambivalent. I love its size, shootability, and look. Unfortunately, I have had nothing but inconveniences. The only thing keeping me going? Customer service.
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First 200 rounds: FTE, FTF every mag. Feed ramp chipped but it didn't affect feeding.
Took it to the gunsmith in town. He adjusted the lips of the mag. Worked like a charm with some Walmart ammo. I tried it with mag tech ammo. Jammed like a POS. I bought 2 more mags and took it to the gunsmith. He adjusted the lips. I used Federal and Hornady. Shot like a champ.
I had walking pins. I got the fix which worked like a charm.
Took it out again. Just 115 grain FMJ. No +Ps, ever used. At round 565, the trigger wouldn't reset. Thought it was a bad spring. The frame was cracked. It has been sent back to Diamond back.
I'm ambivalent. I love its size, shootability, and look. Unfortunately, I have had nothing but inconveniences. The only thing keeping me going? Customer service.
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I know two seasoned pistol shooters that had multiple issues with theirs. They don't have them anymore.
Get a Glock 26.
BTW: Limp wrist issues is a way of passing the buck to the user, NOT THE POOR DESIGN. I've shot for 20+ years. All sizes. Most makes. Most Calibers (except 50 AE and Desert Eagle 44 Mag).
The main reason it is a POS is not the gun. It's the poorly designed magazine. When my gunsmith tweaked it, it shot fine.
"Limp Wrist Issues" are 100% BS!!!!
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Every gun I have shot, if it works, it works when limp-wristed. I've shot several micro guns, LCP's, P3At's, LC9, a couple of Khars, they all work when limp-wristed. My personal LC9 works with everything and shot in any manner.
A gun that doesn't work, doesn't work and either needs to be fixed, or replaced.
A gun that doesn't work, doesn't work and either needs to be fixed, or replaced.
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I had to return my DB9 as the slide would lock every round that I tried. Got it back 10 days later and it works great. I am very happy with mine and I carry it everyday. In some aspects I like it better than the Solo, but in others, I liked the Solo. Both micro 9s are much better shooting guns than my KT .380.
I 100% disagree with "limp wristing" issues. They are real. I have taken pocket .380s from people at the local range who were having issues. With the right grip and technique, many "issues" with guns are resolved. There are legitimate issues with guns, but not every issue is really the gun.
I can't recommend the DB9 to everyone, but I really like mine. I can recommend to anyone with shooting experience.
I 100% disagree with "limp wristing" issues. They are real. I have taken pocket .380s from people at the local range who were having issues. With the right grip and technique, many "issues" with guns are resolved. There are legitimate issues with guns, but not every issue is really the gun.
I can't recommend the DB9 to everyone, but I really like mine. I can recommend to anyone with shooting experience.
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The contenders to me for size.
Solo
Nano
PM9
Rohrbaugh
Lc9
It's not worth selling this or trading it. I am pretty much stuck with it.
Assuming someone has proper technique, they can shoot it if it were actually intrinsically reliable. I had a 4xxx. I think they're up to 9xxx. Improvements have been made along the way. I am just saying that the company is trying to say that limp wrist is the case. Maybe in some... Especially for the novice or beginner. The magazine if designed properly can eliminate that issue.
The company is trying. Unfortunately the user is pretty much a Beta Tester for a poorly designed gun.
Summary of issues:
Walking pins
Chipped feed ramp
Failed trigger spring
Cracked frame
Poorly designed magazines
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Solo
Nano
PM9
Rohrbaugh
Lc9
It's not worth selling this or trading it. I am pretty much stuck with it.
Assuming someone has proper technique, they can shoot it if it were actually intrinsically reliable. I had a 4xxx. I think they're up to 9xxx. Improvements have been made along the way. I am just saying that the company is trying to say that limp wrist is the case. Maybe in some... Especially for the novice or beginner. The magazine if designed properly can eliminate that issue.
The company is trying. Unfortunately the user is pretty much a Beta Tester for a poorly designed gun.
Summary of issues:
Walking pins
Chipped feed ramp
Failed trigger spring
Cracked frame
Poorly designed magazines
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Not for everyone, that is for sure. A G26 would be a safer bet out of the box.
I like micro auto loaders. I knew I could face some challenges going into this one.
I have had some hiccups and their customer service had worked with me, even replaced my first one.
I had some hiccups at the beginning with my MK40, PM9, PT709.
I am not ready to carry mine but, I am working towards it.
Ammo wise, I have most success with Blazer aluminum but, I had shot some RWS. All 115 GR. For SD I have fired Hornady Critical Defense and Hornady Custom, so far. These are the ones recommended to me by DB gunsmith. I am sticking with the aforementioned ammo as I am willing to feed what my DB9 likes as a trade for being able to carry the smallest 9mm available under $1K, way under
My DB 9 likes it wet, not 1911 wet but, wetter than Glock. Once cleaned, I put few drops of oil on each rail and pass a lightly oiled patch in and out the barrel , into the slide and I give it a quick pass to the frame area where the front of the slide makes contact when cycling.
I grip my DB 9 high, tight, and firmly chocked. I also do not shoot more than 4 magazines at a time. I can run 60 rounds in a range visit but, just not one after another I do get tire of the chocked grip and malfunctions are induced.
So far, 120 rounds of Blazer + RWS and 26 rounds of Hornady without a hiccup. That includes 2 magazines fired by unexperienced junior shooter.
I like micro auto loaders. I knew I could face some challenges going into this one.
I have had some hiccups and their customer service had worked with me, even replaced my first one.
I had some hiccups at the beginning with my MK40, PM9, PT709.
I am not ready to carry mine but, I am working towards it.
Ammo wise, I have most success with Blazer aluminum but, I had shot some RWS. All 115 GR. For SD I have fired Hornady Critical Defense and Hornady Custom, so far. These are the ones recommended to me by DB gunsmith. I am sticking with the aforementioned ammo as I am willing to feed what my DB9 likes as a trade for being able to carry the smallest 9mm available under $1K, way under
My DB 9 likes it wet, not 1911 wet but, wetter than Glock. Once cleaned, I put few drops of oil on each rail and pass a lightly oiled patch in and out the barrel , into the slide and I give it a quick pass to the frame area where the front of the slide makes contact when cycling.
I grip my DB 9 high, tight, and firmly chocked. I also do not shoot more than 4 magazines at a time. I can run 60 rounds in a range visit but, just not one after another I do get tire of the chocked grip and malfunctions are induced.
So far, 120 rounds of Blazer + RWS and 26 rounds of Hornady without a hiccup. That includes 2 magazines fired by unexperienced junior shooter.
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I was an early adopter on both models.
Had some issues with the DB9 in the first 200 rounds. Only a failure to feed 10 times in the first 200 rounds. They have since cleared themselves up, after a thorough cleaning.
I am not carrying it yet... still testing it. Will run another flawless 200-300 thru it before I do.
The 9mm is a beast in this tiny frame. 100 rounds I get a blister from the very tip of the trigger on my finger.
The only upgrades I have are the frame pins have been upgraded with the new design. This keeps them from walking out of the frame during repeated recoil. They are free from their website. You install them yourself.
I also have the DB380 that I currently carry daily. It is flawless now after going back to them 2 times. (Free shipping and 2 week return) First time was for Failure to feed, Slide tolerance issue, slide was replaced. Second time was for a broken trigger bar. The gun came back completely changed\redesigned. Search for my DB380 thread to see the changes and issues.
I own several other pocket pistols that I purchased years after they were introduced.... that I didn't have problems with, P3AT, and NAA guardian, but just like DB they did have massive problems in the beginning.
The DB pistols have 4 things that I like. Three finger grip, real replaceable sights, no external switches to hang on anything, and awesome quick customer service. I will be installing the tritium sights in all my DB's...as soon as they are back in stock.:embarassed:
In all my years of buying new models of guns from various manufacturers I have found the first rounds of a new model are always prone to malfunction. It is just something you have to deal with and expect. If you want the new whiz-bang toy.. you have got to be willing to work with the company to get the bugs out of it.
It happens to all companies... just look at glock and the gen4... :whistling:
Had some issues with the DB9 in the first 200 rounds. Only a failure to feed 10 times in the first 200 rounds. They have since cleared themselves up, after a thorough cleaning.
I am not carrying it yet... still testing it. Will run another flawless 200-300 thru it before I do.
The 9mm is a beast in this tiny frame. 100 rounds I get a blister from the very tip of the trigger on my finger.
The only upgrades I have are the frame pins have been upgraded with the new design. This keeps them from walking out of the frame during repeated recoil. They are free from their website. You install them yourself.
I also have the DB380 that I currently carry daily. It is flawless now after going back to them 2 times. (Free shipping and 2 week return) First time was for Failure to feed, Slide tolerance issue, slide was replaced. Second time was for a broken trigger bar. The gun came back completely changed\redesigned. Search for my DB380 thread to see the changes and issues.
I own several other pocket pistols that I purchased years after they were introduced.... that I didn't have problems with, P3AT, and NAA guardian, but just like DB they did have massive problems in the beginning.
The DB pistols have 4 things that I like. Three finger grip, real replaceable sights, no external switches to hang on anything, and awesome quick customer service. I will be installing the tritium sights in all my DB's...as soon as they are back in stock.:embarassed:
In all my years of buying new models of guns from various manufacturers I have found the first rounds of a new model are always prone to malfunction. It is just something you have to deal with and expect. If you want the new whiz-bang toy.. you have got to be willing to work with the company to get the bugs out of it.
It happens to all companies... just look at glock and the gen4... :whistling:
some of the techs from Diamondback use the range I frequent to test products. I watched them run over 600 trouble-free rounds though a DB9 one time. I ran a mag thought it myself and had no problems. If felt nice and shot much better than a Kel-Tec PF9. Not sure if I would buy one though.
Never seen one, but my impression was they are noticeably smaller than a PM9. Pocket carry size. Maybe a bit bigger than a KT or Ruger 380.
Pocket carry a G26? Maybe if your Captain Kangaroo or a circus clown.
Limp-wrist - I believe it. Happens to me on my P3AT when my hand gets sore or tired. Never when I have a glove on in cool temps.
Pocket carry a G26? Maybe if your Captain Kangaroo or a circus clown.
Limp-wrist - I believe it. Happens to me on my P3AT when my hand gets sore or tired. Never when I have a glove on in cool temps.
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my DB9, this morning, now goes clickety click.
trigger busted around 850 rounds.
will have to go back to factory, can not get the slide off.
i'm chl and demand reliability.
got rid of my db380 due to reliability issues.
mouse guns are pushing the envelope.
still have bodyguard, p3at, and lcp.
really wanted the thinnest 9mm to work!
trigger busted around 850 rounds.
will have to go back to factory, can not get the slide off.
i'm chl and demand reliability.
got rid of my db380 due to reliability issues.
mouse guns are pushing the envelope.
still have bodyguard, p3at, and lcp.
really wanted the thinnest 9mm to work!
The trigger on mine broke THREE TIMES!! Biggest complete & utter POS handgun I've ever owned. Traded it as fast as I could. :wavey:
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