[hogarth]

I definitely prefer decocker over a safety.

To the OP, since your CZ can be fired DA, this is how it works. You load pistol, then use decocker to decock. Carry it like that. If you shoot, you decock between any strings of fire and DEFINTELY before you reholster.

No safeties to worry about.

 

[hogarth]

It's all about the training. All about practice. As usual.

Me? I hate having to master not one, but two, trigger manipulations on a fighting weapon.

Training is always key. Several times I've been in classes (billed as not for first-timers) and seen students try to holster a DA/SA pistol without decocking first. Nothing like seeing/hearing Kyle Defoor yell "STOP!" and then straighten a student out.

 

[hogarth]

Technically, what is wrong with holstering a DA/SA pistol without decocking? Pretty much anyone who runs a CZ in competition will holster it loaded and cocked, no safety.

Sure, you’d want to be VERY careful doing it IWB and I wouldn’t want to personally do that myself. But in some scenarios, holstering cocked and unlocked isn’t a fundamental error.

What competitions allow that? If it's a DA/SA pistol with decocker, it should be decocked before holstering. If it's a DA/SA with a safety (as some CZs are set up), then cocked with safety ON in holster. That should be it.

 

[hogarth]

From USPSA rule book:

8.1.2
Self-loading Pistols:​

8.1.2.1
“Single action” –chamber loaded, hammer cocked, and the safety engaged.
8.1.2.2
“Double action” – chamber loaded, hammer fully down or de-cocked.
8.1.2.
“Selective action” –chamber loaded with hammer fully down,
or chamber loaded and hammer cocked with external safety
engaged (see Divisions in Appendix D).
8.1.2.4 With respect to Rules 8.1.2.1 and 8.1.2.3, the term “safety”
means the primary visible safety lever on the handgun (e.g. the
thumb safety on a “1911” genre handgun). In the event of
doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter.
This safety must be on while the firearm is loaded in the holster
or loaded in any other location stated in the WSB (e.g.:
table start, in a drawer, etc). in order to be in compliance with 10.5.11
8.1.2.5
When applicable, the grip safety may be disabled provided that the primary safety as described in 8.1.2.4 is operable. Production division handguns are explicitly excluded from this rule​

 

[hogarth]

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[hogarth]

You guys are a little out of touch.

The current “hot” gun in USPSA Production class is a CZ Shadow 2.

It is basically run stock from the factory for most people.

When chambering for competition, the safety stays off because you are in the firing box. Basically you chamber, holster and wait for the beep. No DA and no safety.

At the end of the stage, you drop the magazine and manually eject the chambered cartridge to clear it. Then hammer goes down and it gets holstered empty.

The CZ Shadow 2 has a thumb safety, very deliberately designed to be easy to manipulate IN COMPETITION. And see the rules I posted above.

Do you own a CZ Shadow 2?

 

[hogarth]

I do, but haven’t shot it in competition. You are right. I was thinking that it started off in SA after “make ready” but didn’t realize that the hammer had to be down at start.

http://forums.brianenos.com/topic/208653-use-of-safety-in-production-class-cz-hammer-actions/

That makes a lot of sense of when you’d rather have a decocker!

Well, there you go.

For future reference, when you come to a website asking questions about how something works, you probably shouldn't then argue about when the thing in question should be used and tell those trying to help you that they are "out of touch".

Regarding your P01, if you are comfortable manually dropping the hammer and/or carrying "cocked and locked", then it sounds like changing out the decocker for the safety might be the way to go. I prefer the decocker, but since you are used to 1911-style pistols, it probably makes sense to keep the manual of arms the same.

 

[hogarth]

I went through the motions with the P01 decocker and on my normal thumbs down draw, the thumb pressure on the decocker prevents the DA trigger pull.

I think my 1911 thumbs down on safety draw would be a disaster with the decocker. I guess I just will plan on using the DA/SA CZ as if it were an SA with safety.

The good thing about the thumb down pressure is that I don’t have to change my draw and fire with Glocks and 1911 style handguns. Whether there is a safety or not, my hands do the same thing either way. I’d have to change my grip to use a decocker.

Nothing to be sad about. It works for you. It's also what I suggested in post #21, since that's what you're used to.