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Bravo1resq

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I hope some of you enjoy this read, to some degree. A couple notes with it. 1) I have posted this in my blog 2) I have posted this in another forum I visit 3) I do not claim to be an expert 4) I ask that anyone wanting to reproduce this write up ask me first through PM. Thanks guys.


26 August 2010- The crossbreed holster is an inside the waist band style holster system. The holster system is comprised of molded kydex riveted to a hardened leather paddle with six rivets. On either side of the leather paddle are belt clips made of spring steel which are attached to the leather paddle by screw rivets. The belt clips are adjustable up and down by unscrewing the rivets and placing them in one of four pre-drilled holes based on user preference. Most other inside the waist band holsters donÂ’t utilize two anchor points and they are not adjustable. The holster seems sturdy and well-built.
During the initial phase of wear the holster’s leather seemed stiff and uncomfortable. The holster was very easy to take on and off. The belt clips are designed to allow for the user’s shirt to be tucked in over the gun, exposing only the belt clips. After approximately three days of wear the leather began to “break in” and conform to the wearer’s body. Whether sitting at a desk or in a car the holster was comfortable and unobtrusive. The holster retains the weapon on its own (being molded kydex); however, when worn with a belt as intended the weapon feels more secured. This was due to the belt providing tension on the weapon. There was one incident where the user stood up from a seated position and the holster came loose from the user. Upon taking a closer look at the situation it was determined the front belt clip was not seated properly. The front belt clip was resting on the user’s belt loop and therefore not locked in. When worn properly (i.e. the belt clip locked in/around the wearer’s belt) the holster retains the weapon during moderate physical activity such as jogging.
The holster was worn during personal defense sessions. It did not perform as well as other outside the waistband holsters do. Once the weapon was exposed by the shirt being un-tucked from the holster the weapon could be grabbed by the aggressor. While being worn during personal defense scenarios from the ground the weapon at times fell free from the holster, but again this only happened when the weapon was exposed.
While on the firing line the holster performed remarkably well. The shooter was able to grip and draw the weapon easily with no hang ups. More importantly the shooter was able to re-holster the weapon without taking eyes off target and with their strong hand only. This is unlike most inside the waist band style holsters made with leather. The typical leather inside the waistband holster collapses once the weapon is drawn from it and the shooter struggles to re-holster it single handedly. In general the shooter needs to create an opening in the top of the holster with their weak hand to re-holster the weapon. This can be dangerous and impractical as the shooterÂ’s attention is taken from the threat to their holster. Other kydex inside the waistband holsters donÂ’t collapse after the weapon is drawn; however, they have other limiting factors such as bulkiness and being uncomfortable. The crossbreed holster defeats all of these issues.
It is hard to find a comfortable, concealable holster that allows for clean weapon draws and re holstering. Leather inside the waistband holsters collapse once the weapon is drawn and the kydex ones are bulky and uncomfortable. Some companies try to provide comfort by adding a cushion to the back of the holster but the cushioning can be hot and wear thin from everyday use. They can also smell foul during the summer months due to sweat. Kydex holsters can also create hot spots on the wearerÂ’s belt line causing further discomfort. The crossbreed holster is exactly what it appears to be, the best of both worlds. A hybrid between leather and kydex that is comfortable to wear and easy to conceal. The holsterÂ’s only limiting factor that was discovered during this assessment was its inability to retain a weapon during personal defense scenarios. However, this was only when the weapon was exposed to the aggressor. When the weapon was concealed by the wearerÂ’s shirt being tucked into the holster the weapon was relatively retained. In one scenario the aggressor got hands on the weapon through the wearerÂ’s shirt but the wearer was able to retain and control the weapon. This is a direct reflection of a well built and sturdy holster.

26 September 2011- After a year of wear almost every day my opinion of this holster has changed, but not by much. The holster has reliably concealed the Sig Sauer 228 in all types of weather and activities. The user wore the holster in shorts and a t-shirt with no weapon “printing” and in business casual attire with no weapon “printing.” During more rigorous activity where there was a lot of repetitive bending at the waist there were two instances where the holster began riding out of the waist band. This may have been due to the clips not catching the belt as it was the case in the early phase of this review. The more the holster was worn the more it conformed to the user’s body and its comfort level increased. After approximately 70 range days (throughout the year), which included both static line and dynamic shooting, it became apparent the holster impeded the ability to grip the pistol when under stress. This is due to the holster’s construction and how the leather backer began to curl. The grip was impeded slightly to where the grip needed to be adjusted as the pistol left the holster. However, the pistol was still able to be presented and fired three rounds in three seconds. With the increased wear and the softening of the leather (due to sweating and everyday activity) the top part of the leather backer began to curl outward away from the body toward the pistol. This impeded the user from being able to smoothly re-holster the weapon without looking. The user had to look to identify the issue with re-holstering and utilize the support hand to manipulate the curled leather out of the way. It is possible to re-holster the weapon without utilizing the support hand; however, it would result in the user flagging himself with the weapon’s muzzle. When running dynamic drills the pistol was retained during short sprints. The holster itself is to be credited for the retention coupled with wearing a sturdy belt.


This holster system is well built and has served well in its everyday use. This holster is ideal for low activity, day to day concealed weapon carrying. Its easy on off design has made the holster outstanding to use in the office where at times it needed to be taken off for administrative reasons. However, when leaving the office or conducting operational tasks it was much easier to loosen the belt and put this holster on than to put on a pancake holster which has the belt run through it. There were several points in time when co-workers and LEO students were surprised to learn I had been armed throughout the entire day. Again I credit the holsterÂ’s design to this. Even with the noted flaws in this long term wear review I havenÂ’t found a holster that is as versatile as this one. It has let me conceal my weapon in all types of weather and conditions. The holster allowed me to draw my weapon in dynamic shooting courses of fire easily and just as fast as all other shooters. The crossbreed holster does not inhibit the end user.

respectfully,

Bravo1Resq
 
Thanks for this review. I have one on order for my S&W 640 j-frame. I have seen so many videos on you tube of people who just got theirs and it was great to hear a story after a full year of use. It helps reassure me that I made the right choice. As far as the curling of the leather have you spoken to them about this because I know they have a lifetime warranty and will replace the holster if need be.
 
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Thanks for the review. I also have a Crossbreed Supertuck (center bottom), but don't use it as much as you do. The holster that I use the most often is the high-ride OWB shown with the Kahr MK40 in the pic. The Crossbreed works very well as IWB with or without shirt tucked in. It is an extremely well designed holster that does exactly what it's supposed to do........

I'd like to see some pics of your well used Crossbreed holster, if you please.......

ooc
 
Great review! I wear my Glock 19 in my Crossbreed Supertuck the vast majority of my time. No one has ever noticed me wearing it and It is very comfortable. Lots of other pistols fit it perfectly as well ex 1911 5', CZ 85 Combat, any Glock. It is the best holster that I have ever owned and would recommend one to anybody!
 
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Thanks for the review. I also have a Crossbreed Supertuck (center bottom), but don't use it as much as you do. The holster that I use the most often is the high-ride OWB shown with the Kahr MK40 in the pic. The Crossbreed works very well as IWB with or without shirt tucked in. It is an extremely well designed holster that does exactly what it's supposed to do........

I'd like to see some pics of your well used Crossbreed holster, if you please.......

ooc
Is the holster next to your crossbreed a Recluse holster? If so what firearm is it for and what are your thoughts on it. I was thinking about getting one for the bodyguard 380 that I'm in the process of saving up for.
 
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SBH- I have sent this review to them as well but planned on talking to them about a possible replacement or reforming of the leather backer.

Hogship- After posting this and reading it over I thought a picture would be nice. I will have to snap one tonight when I get home and post it up. After all, a picture is worth a thousand words LoL.

Bravo1Resq
 
Thanks for the very thorough review. I've had my CBST for about 8 months, but haven't put it through nearly the use and testing that you have. Good to know it will hold up.
I have noticed when doing dry fire drills that it is difficult to fully grip the gun properly to draw. I end up drawing and adjusting my grip once the weapon leaves the holster. Have you noticed the same? I was considering doing a homemade combat cut to mine, similar to others on this forum.

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I like mine the only time I dont wear it is when im gonna have to be in and out of car a lot like going to drop kid off at school,coaching,post offfice all in same day...im still trying to find a decent lightweight IWB holster that quick on/off for those days..I got a Comp Tac Infidel but unless its winter its just too bulky for under just a T shirt. Mine is for a Ruger SR9c.
 
Some notes....

If you cut the leather around the gun, making your own combat cut, the leather folding/curling or changing the grip is gone.
I went through 3 sets of clips. They get caught on things at least with me & bend them.
The leather gets hot in my climate. When you sweat it feels all icky.
The kydex wore the top of the slide. There's a wear line right across the top of my G22 slide.
These are my observations in 2 years of use.
 
I've been through my share of holsters.
Crossbreed Supertuck is the only IWB holster I'll buy now. And the guys who run the company couldn't be a nicer bunch of guys.
 
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This is my first attempt to post pictures so here it goes...

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Here is my duty weapon as it sits in the holster you can somewhat see the top curling over the weapon. The below photos really illustrate this.

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Here is the top side of the weapon, again you can see the top of the leather backer curling over the weapon.

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Here is a side view of me establishing a grip. I took this picture immediately walking into the door from work so the holster has been worn all day. Notice the left side circle which shows the clip unhooking from my belt, this actually happened when I ripped my shirt up while establishing my grip. The right side circle shows how I can not fully establish my grip and my thumb is riding high.

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Here is a front view of the above picture. Again the circle is to highlight my thumb not able to set into its normal "full grip established" position. The result is that as I break the weapon from the cross breed my thumb falls into place which makes for an ever so slight grip adjustment. Even with the clip slipping (see previous photo) the weapon broke easily from the holster with no hang ups. I did doctor up this photo to paint over my agency logo.

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Here is the back side of the holster and weapon really showing the leather fold over. Note the stock number of an issued weapon LoL.

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Here is the muzzle side. I took this photo just to show how the leather backer conforms to your body. As a safety note, prior to taking this photo I cleared my weapon.



-Bravo1Resq
 
I carry my G36 in a Crossbreed Supertuck and have for a couple of years now. Coincidentally, my G19 fits just perfectly into it as well.:supergrin:
I've worn it in summer with cargo shorts and polo shirts and in the winter under sweaters. Depending upon where the belt loops line up on my pants, I carry anywhere from a 2:00 to 4:00 position.
The Kydex has loosened up a bit (yes, I believe you can tighten it back up with a hair dryer or something) but it still retains the gun(s) just fine, thank you and it's comfortable and very concealable.
I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. But doubt I'll have to ... until I buy another concealed carry gun that doesn't fit this one.
It's well worth the money. It works. It's durable. It does what it says and at a reasonable price.
 
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Some notes....

If you cut the leather around the gun, making your own combat cut, the leather folding/curling or changing the grip is gone.
I went through 3 sets of clips. They get caught on things at least with me & bend them.
The leather gets hot in my climate. When you sweat it feels all icky.
The kydex wore the top of the slide. There's a wear line right across the top of my G22 slide.
These are my observations in 2 years of use.
Fuzzy03cls- I hadn't thought about cutting the leather but I can see the advantage it could provide. The only downside I could think of with cutting the leather would have the gun rub directly on the body. Personally I don't think I would have this problem as I almost always wear an undershirt tucked between the leather backer and my body. I haven't had the clips catch on anything...yet. Perhaps crossbreed knew of the problem and made a change to their clips. Lastly, my weapon has quite a bit of holster wear on it (it has been in service longer than I have) so I haven't noticed any wear marks from the holster. Thank you for sharing your experience with this holster.


Thanks for the very thorough review. I've had my CBST for about 8 months, but haven't put it through nearly the use and testing that you have. Good to know it will hold up.
I have noticed when doing dry fire drills that it is difficult to fully grip the gun properly to draw. I end up drawing and adjusting my grip once the weapon leaves the holster. Have you noticed the same? I was considering doing a homemade combat cut to mine, similar to others on this forum.

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23Owner- I have had a similar issue with establishing my grip with this holster. However, in high stress shooting courses of fire where I didn't have an opportunity to adjust my grip on the draw I was still able to establish a good enough grip to fire. Afterwards I would make grip adjustments if needed. I practice quite a bit on establishing a grip and clean draw from the fully concealed shirt tucked position. A rough estimate would be 200 draws in a week spread through out the week. Fuzzy03CLS has an interesting idea of cutting the leather away just enough to allow for establishing a good grip. I may look into this option and weigh the pros/cons.

Respectfully,
Bravo1Resq
 
Fuzzy03cls- I hadn't thought about cutting the leather but I can see the advantage it could provide. The only downside I could think of with cutting the leather would have the gun rub directly on the body. Personally I don't think I would have this problem as I almost always wear an undershirt tucked between the leather backer and my body. I haven't had the clips catch on anything...yet. Perhaps crossbreed knew of the problem and made a change to their clips. Lastly, my weapon has quite a bit of holster wear on it (it has been in service longer than I have) so I haven't noticed any wear marks from the holster. Thank you for sharing your experience with this holster.




23Owner- I have had a similar issue with establishing my grip with this holster. However, in high stress shooting courses of fire where I didn't have an opportunity to adjust my grip on the draw I was still able to establish a good enough grip to fire. Afterwards I would make grip adjustments if needed. I practice quite a bit on establishing a grip and clean draw from the fully concealed shirt tucked position. A rough estimate would be 200 draws in a week spread through out the week. Fuzzy03CLS has an interesting idea of cutting the leather away just enough to allow for establishing a good grip. I may look into this option and weigh the pros/cons.

Respectfully,
Bravo1Resq
That's the problem with holsters that have a "Combat Cut".
 
Is the holster next to your crossbreed a Recluse holster? If so what firearm is it for and what are your thoughts on it. I was thinking about getting one for the bodyguard 380 that I'm in the process of saving up for.
No Recluse there.

All shown are for the Kahr MK40 in the pic.

Not sure which holster you're refering to. To the left is an Uncle Mikes ankle holster. The MK40 is a bit too heavy for ankle carry, IMHO. I have another Fobus ankle holster for the LCP that works much better. The one on the right is a pocket holster for the MK40. This also doesn't see much use because the MK40 is a tad too big for my pockets.......a bigger man than me may not have the same problem with small pockets, and it would work better. It does work nicely with cargo pants, but I don't wear those very often. I also use the LCP for pocket carry.......

ooc
 
This is my first attempt to post pictures so here it goes...

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Here is my duty weapon as it sits in the holster you can somewhat see the top curling over the weapon. The below photos really illustrate this.

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Here is the top side of the weapon, again you can see the top of the leather backer curling over the weapon.

Image


Here is a side view of me establishing a grip. I took this picture immediately walking into the door from work so the holster has been worn all day. Notice the left side circle which shows the clip unhooking from my belt, this actually happened when I ripped my shirt up while establishing my grip. The right side circle shows how I can not fully establish my grip and my thumb is riding high.

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Here is a front view of the above picture. Again the circle is to highlight my thumb not able to set into its normal "full grip established" position. The result is that as I break the weapon from the cross breed my thumb falls into place which makes for an ever so slight grip adjustment. Even with the clip slipping (see previous photo) the weapon broke easily from the holster with no hang ups. I did doctor up this photo to paint over my agency logo.

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Here is the back side of the holster and weapon really showing the leather fold over. Note the stock number of an issued weapon LoL.

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Here is the muzzle side. I took this photo just to show how the leather backer conforms to your body. As a safety note, prior to taking this photo I cleared my weapon.



-Bravo1Resq
Where are the pictures? I don't see them. Upload your pictures on Photobuck and then link those pictures in your comment.
 
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