[onespeedbiker]

California's whacky large mag restrictions
I have been honourable retired for some 6 years and have maintained my CCW license. In California armed retired police with a CCW have most the exemptions for gun carry as active duty police. We also are allowed to keep the large capacity mags we acquired while active, but are technically forbidden to acquire large capacity mags after one retires. The end result is I have half a dozen 15 round mags for my Beretta, but when I recently bought a blue line Glock, the gun store had to rustle up some 10 round mags. Planning for this I acquired some large capacity mags for some Glocks before I retired, but I never get used to the idiocy of California gun laws.

 

[Climbhard]

Well at least your more equal than others

 

[Merkavaboy]

It's a stupid law but not hard to understand. Any standard cap mag you had prior to the 2000 AWB you can keep and use, even for CCW.

You cannot purchase, import, manufacturer or lend a hi-cap mag after 2000. Now even "parts kits" used to repair damaged mags is illegal to purchase or possess.

BTW if you're retired LE you fall under HR218 and should have your permit through you agency. I have a retired LAPD buddy that goes through Sac Co. to do his quals instead of going back to L.A. to do it.

 

[harold63]

None of it matters, no way. Carry a couple spare mags and learn to do this. You'll be good to go 'till you get to your 10 rd cap AR.

I'm still waiting on Libafornia to crack off and sink in the Pacific.

 

[onespeedbiker]

It's a stupid law but not hard to understand. Any standard cap mag you had prior to the 2000 AWB you can keep and use, even for CCW.

You cannot purchase, import, manufacturer or lend a hi-cap mag after 2000. Now even "parts kits" used to repair damaged mags is illegal to purchase or possess.

BTW if you're retired LE you fall under HR218 and should have your permit through you agency. I have a retired LAPD buddy that goes through Sac Co. to do his quals instead of going back to L.A. to do it.

It's not that the law is hard to understand, the issue I was bringing up is active LE is exempt from the standard mag restrictions and then allowed to keep their standard mags when they retire. But they are not allowed to buy standard mags after they retire. So when I carry my old Beretta, I can use my 15 rd mags, but if I carry the Glock I can only use the 10 round mags (had I not acquired some standard mags beforehand). In other words the California law for me is gun manufacturer specific, which is just plain dumb..

 

[Makoman]

Technically speaking, you lawfully acquired those mags, as you were an exempt, working LEO when you purchased them. I would think therefore that you could legally use them, no?

 

[onespeedbiker]

Technically speaking, you lawfully acquired those mags, as you were an exempt, working LEO when you purchased them. I would think therefore that you could legally use them, no?

That is what I am going with; but the idea that I would somehow be less of a threat with 15 round mag with my Beretta than 15 rounds with my Glock, shows the stupidity of government.

 

[Makoman]

That is what I am going with; but the idea that I would somehow be less of a threat with 15 round mag with my Beretta than 15 rounds with my Glock, shows the stupidity of government.

It does indeed. I'm not LEO, but I bought about 16 mags for my Beretta before the Clinton ban took affect and a few extras for my HI Power, but I only keep them in my guns when they are in the house because, thanks to our stupid laws, I think a lot of LEO's arent exactly sure about what's legal or illegal under the law as well and I'd rather not deal with the hassle. Are you a member on the Calguns forum? Shoot Librarian a PM. His knowledge of California gun laws, including magazine laws, is pretty encyclopedic.

 

[glide]

Hawaii has some draconian and inane gun laws but looks like California is much more worse.

 

[Merkavaboy]

It's not that the law is hard to understand, the issue I was bringing up is active LE is exempt from the standard mag restrictions and then allowed to keep their standard mags when they retire. But they are not allowed to buy standard mags after they retire. So when I carry my old Beretta, I can use my 15 rd mags, but if I carry the Glock I can only use the 10 round mags (had I not acquired some standard mags beforehand). In other words the California law for me is gun manufacturer specific, which is just plain dumb..

Gotcha...

 

[deputyG23]

My understanding is that retired LE are not exempt from an individual states' magazine capacity laws when carrying there or ammo restrictions, such as New Jersey's ban on "hollow nose" ammunition when carrying under HR 218 as a retired LEO.
My own retirement is looming on the horizon and am starting to assemble my retirement carry battery with those considerations in mind.
Am I correct or mistaken?

 

[Mike-M]

Don't forget...Generation 4 Glock pistols are denied to the underclasses in kalipornia as well.

People get the goverment they deserve.

 

[onespeedbiker]

My understanding is that retired LE are not exempt from an individual states' magazine capacity laws when carrying there or ammo restrictions, such as New Jersey's ban on "hollow nose" ammunition when carrying under HR 218 as a retired LEO.
My own retirement is looming on the horizon and am starting to assemble my retirement carry battery with those considerations in mind.
Am I correct or mistaken?

Many of the restrictions you speak of are state specific. While there is a federal law that mandates individual states must honor retired police officer CCW from all other states, states like New Jersey are still opposed (many states have a list of states that they honor CCW from). Further, while California allows California police retirees to keep and use the standard mags they acquired while active, this may not be the case if they travel to other states, where they don't have the same exemptions (ie exempted from gun free zones) while within the state borders.

This is an outline on how HR 218 affects LEO in California ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/leosiss.pdf if you click on this it will download a PDF

 

[Bruce M]

Some of the gun laws make even less sense than many of the other gun laws. Sometimes discretion can end up lessening some of it.

 

[chiefjack]

LEOSA does NOT trump State laws related to magazine capacity or ammo. You can carry in any state with your LEOSA ID, BUT you MUST obey the local laws regarding magazine capacity and ammo types.

 

[Davers]

I assume the 10 round restriction, really helped During the Husband & Wife Terror Attack in CA last year.
Shishe!!!

 

[onespeedbiker]

LEOSA does NOT trump State laws related to magazine capacity or ammo. You can carry in any state with your LEOSA ID, BUT you MUST obey the local laws regarding magazine capacity and ammo types.

Well that's a matter currently in dispute; primarily in New Jersey. LEOSA states;

§ 926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law enforcement officers

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified retired law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).

(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that--

(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

(c) As used in this section, the term "qualified retired law enforcement officer" means an individual who--

(1) separated from service in good standing from service with a public agency as a law enforcement officer;

Meaning LEOSA is the law of the land (notwithstanding any applicable state laws); the only exemptions are those delineated in LEOSA.

On the other hand, the possession of large capacity mags in California is not illegal, it is however illegal to acquire them unless you fall under the police (and a few other) exemptions. Because of this, if a retired police officer legally acquired his large capacity magazines through their department as an active LE, they're allowed to use them after they retire. However this does not apply in states where the hi-cap magazines are illegal to own.

 

[chiefjack]

Well that's a matter currently in dispute; primarily in New Jersey. LEOSA states;

§ 926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law enforcement officers

(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified retired law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection (b).

(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws of any State that--

(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

(c) As used in this section, the term "qualified retired law enforcement officer" means an individual who--

(1) separated from service in good standing from service with a public agency as a law enforcement officer;

Meaning LEOSA is the law of the land (notwithstanding any applicable state laws); the only exemptions are those delineated in LEOSA.

On the other hand, the possession of large capacity mags in California is not illegal, it is however illegal to acquire them unless you fall under the police (and a few other) exemptions. Because of this, if a retired police officer legally acquired his large capacity magazines through their department as an active LE, they're allowed to use them after they retire. However this does not apply in states where the hi-cap magazines are illegal to own.

Correct. A CA retired LEO who legally owned 15 round magazines CANNOT carry those magazines in a state where the legal magazine capacity is less than 15.

 

[Anomander]

arbitrary magazine capacity of peace

 

[PicardMD]

California's whacky large mag restrictions
I have been honourable retired for some 6 years and have maintained my CCW license. In California armed retired police with a CCW have most the exemptions for gun carry as active duty police. We also are allowed to keep the large capacity mags we acquired while active, but are technically forbidden to acquire large capacity mags after one retires. The end result is I have half a dozen 15 round mags for my Beretta, but when I recently bought a blue line Glock, the gun store had to rustle up some 10 round mags. Planning for this I acquired some large capacity mags for some Glocks before I retired, but I never get used to the idiocy of California gun laws.

Another way around this is to volunteer as a reserve officer for your former agency (if you live close) or your local agency - do this for a year or so and buy all the large capacity magazines you need. :supergrin: ... Although, if you have retired for 6 years, that may be a bit problematic with the whole "break in service for more than 3 years" issue with POST certification stuff.

Speaking as a former California LEO, I fully agree that California gun laws (and weapons laws in general) are wacky.

As for your Beretta... retired from LAPD or LASD?