[wiiawiwb]

Just curious...wouldn't a flat-nose profile do more to crush through bone and flesh than a HP?

I thought that was the attraction of the BB Penetrator +P+ round.

 

[tx gunrunner]

wrong spot

 

[tx gunrunner]

wrong spot

 

[Trigger Finger]

I have shot +P+ ammunition out of my Glock 19 with absolutely no problem! However I only shoot it about 100 to 200 shots a year and constantly carry it in the gun when I CCW it.

I have heard, and believe, if you are going to shoot allot of it every year say around 800 or more rounds it would be wise to increase the recoil spring a couple of lbs. Thats what I have done with my Beretta 92. I would advise if you carry this in the back country to constantly practice double and triple taps!!!

Best.

 

[Merkavaboy]

Just curious...wouldn't a flat-nose profile do more to crush through bone and flesh than a HP?

I thought that was the attraction of the BB Penetrator +P+ round.

Unfortunately this is one of those myths that continues to persist today.

In reality SWC bullets are no better than RN profile bullets. They just push tissue aside and cause ice pick style damage in human tissue.

 

[Berto]

A flat nose helps straight line penetration, doubt it does much for tissue damage unless it's hard and almost Wadcutter profile. A longer fmj/RN pistol bullet will likely tumble.

 

[wiiawiwb]

I'm not talking about human tissue. I'm talking about the FN +P+ use with heavily-muscled animals.

 

[Berto]

I'm not talking about human tissue. I'm talking about the FN +P+ use with heavily-muscled animals.

Right. The flat nose will likely stay on course through your 'heavily muscled animal' than a fmjrn, and not as likely to deflect off large bones.

 

[Ak.Hiker]

I keep a couple of boxes of the BB 124 grain FMJ+P+ flat points on hand. They will penetrate through about 7 inches of spruce out of my Gen 4 Glock 26. The ballistics are very similar to a 38 Super.

 

[Climb14er]

After posting the thread and buying the Buffalo Bore 9mm Penetrator ammo for my G19, which I still and will always have. ..

I bought a Glock 20SF that I now carry in the back country loaded with Double Tap 200gr 10mm Hard Cast and a 175gr Hornady JHP backup mag.

The Penetrator and Hard Cast are for hard hitting penetration against 'critters'.

 

[SCmasterblaster]

+p+ is an undetermined pressure. I carry 115 gr 9mm +p+ ammo in my G17 occasionally.

 

[Hempy19]

[QUOTE
I posted here as I want the opinion of others who have used the ammo in a Glock 19. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE]

Fine but then why do you yourself mention the "Backcountry" so many times in your original post?

 

[Deputydave]

If stuck on the idea of the 9mm as a backpacking gun, then I would look for penetration, a +p loaded 147grFMJ. You want/need momentum, not necessarily more vel, for animal penetration. If its people or big cats, then a 147grJHP would be a better choice. Mountain lion are thin skinned, lightly muscled compared to bear. As noted, you have a bigger problem from people in the back country than animals in most places, load accordingly.

I see that this is an older thread that was recently brought back to the top. I see the OP has purchased a G20 which is a better option than a 9mm for the scenario he's described in his OP. Having said that, from time to time there are folks on here that only have one caliber and that's all they can afford. No problem with this at all. You get what you can get. So if anyone is reading this thread that also has a 9mm an similar question as the original OP then I say that Fred above is on the right track. I looked at the +P+ load in the link on the first page. To begin, it really isn't all that much faster than a +P. And it is quite expensive compared to a simple yet quality +P FMJ that can be purchased in a 50 round box for half the price. And 147 FMJ would be the better choice in this scenario as Fred suggests. Penetration, which would be needed against an animal, is a function of bullet weight vs. sectional density i.e. use the heavy for caliber bullet. In the case of the 9mm it would be the 147.

I carry a 9mm off duty. But in the woods I would carry my G23 .40 S&W loaded with 180 FMJ since this is the largest caliber/heaviest bullet firearm that I own. But Bear Spray is probably a much better option overall. Good to have both so you have options.

 

[Ak.Hiker]

The Buffalo Bore 124 grain FMJ P+P is the best load I have ever tested in my 9mm as far as penetration goes. It will go as deep as my hardcast 357 Magnums. However is makes a smaller hole compared to an LBT in the 357. I would be willing to bet it will go deeper than any of the 147 grain loads as well. At least in my testing. On a big critter perhaps the 147 +P would go deeper. Not sure on that one.

 

[lcamp13]

Climb14er,

What perceived threat in the "back country" makes you carry the +P+ instead of +P?

Have you chrnographed the two loads through the pistol in which you carry them? I'd be willing to bet there is little difference in projectile velocity.

Most folk that I know, myself included, who spend time a lot of time hiking and camping in relatively remote areas where wildlife abounds, are mostly concerned with bears, and second to bears, mountain lions. Frankly, if you shoot an aggressive bear with +P+, it won't feel it any more than if you shoot it with +P. Either load will likely just piss it off more. Best odds for bears is bear spray. If you have to have a handgun, and not a rifle, you'll want .44 magnum or better for bears.

A +P buffalo bore is very well suited to all bears. Ill get more rounds on target with my Glock 19X than you will with your 45 or 10mm I guarantee it. Hardcast will penetrate and break bones. This 9mm will only piss of bears nonsense is just that. Yes a 45 round is better if its a 1 shot game. if its so fast you cant get a round off it doesn't matter what you carry. My split times with 9mm blows away split times for a .45 with anyone I shoot with and we are all good shooters. Accuracy is also much better. I shoot a Glock 19X with a radian compensator and +P buffalo bore never leaves the sight window of my Red dot. Plenty of Grizzlies have been killed with 9mm and even much smaller rounds. Everything thing is faster with a 9mm compared to a .45 or 10mm. Now i'm 5'11" 194 lbs as i sit today with about 15% bodyfat. I've been a gym rat my whole life and I'm stronger than 90% of men out there and a .45 draw and split times with a .45 are much slower and less accurate. So if you're the 5% of men with good shooting ability, a gym rat and over 200# then yes a .45 or 10mm may be a better option than a 9mm hardcast buffalo bore. Yes the outliers like lena Micculick may do very well with the larger calibers but that's just it outliers. Also you want penetration for bears not hollow point. well placed rounds are what will win the fight. winging a bear with a .45 or a 10mm will still get you mauled. I bet my life on it every time i go out fishing and hunting in Montana with my 9mm and I'm not changing. Another thing i hear often is i carry a 9 but take my .45 when i go out west. Another prescription for disaster if your not practicing with that .45 often you have 1 shot to get it right because you wont get a second. Carry a 9 and increase the odds you survive an animal attack. If you dont shoot often with anything carry bear spray.

 

[Buckeye 7x57]

Alaskan Bear guide Phil Shoemaker shot and killed an attacking Brown Bear with Buffalo Bore 147 grain Outdoorsman ammo from a compact S&W pistol. He was guiding a man and woman fishing when the male bear attacked. That says a lot about the ammo.
Ron

 

[fredj338]

Alaskan Bear guide Phil Shoemaker shot and killed an attacking Brown Bear with Buffalo Bore 147 grain Outdoorsman ammo from a compact S&W pistol. He was guiding a man and woman fishing when the male bear attacked. That says a lot about the ammo.
Ron

Days more about shot placement.

 

[fredj338]

A +P buffalo bore is very well suited to all bears. Ill get more rounds on target with my Glock 19X than you will with your 45 or 10mm I guarantee it. Hardcast will penetrate and break bones. This 9mm will only piss of bears nonsense is just that. Yes a 45 round is better if its a 1 shot game. if its so fast you cant get a round off it doesn't matter what you carry. My split times with 9mm blows away split times for a .45 with anyone I shoot with and we are all good shooters. Accuracy is also much better. I shoot a Glock 19X with a radian compensator and +P buffalo bore never leaves the sight window of my Red dot. Plenty of Grizzlies have been killed with 9mm and even much smaller rounds. Everything thing is faster with a 9mm compared to a .45 or 10mm. Now i'm 5'11" 194 lbs as i sit today with about 15% bodyfat. I've been a gym rat my whole life and I'm stronger than 90% of men out there and a .45 draw and split times with a .45 are much slower and less accurate. So if you're the 5% of men with good shooting ability, a gym rat and over 200# then yes a .45 or 10mm may be a better option than a 9mm hardcast buffalo bore. Yes the outliers like lena Micculick may do very well with the larger calibers but that's just it outliers. Also you want penetration for bears not hollow point. well placed rounds are what will win the fight. winging a bear with a .45 or a 10mm will still get you mauled. I bet my life on it every time i go out fishing and hunting in Montana with my 9mm and I'm not changing. Another thing i hear often is i carry a 9 but take my .45 when i go out west. Another prescription for disaster if your not practicing with that .45 often you have 1 shot to get it right because you wont get a second. Carry a 9 and increase the odds you survive an animal attack. If you dont shoot often with anything carry bear spray.

Ok i’m all about good shooting & do pretty well with splits & a fan of 9mm, but its the very bottom of any choice as a serious trail gun Imo. Sure wait until the bear is 20ft away & hose it, you might land a lucky bb to the brain, maybe, if the angle is right & the bullet doesnt deflect. My splits are a bit slower at 21ft with a 10 v a 9+p, but I know the full 10 will penetrate & crush more tissue if i miss the head. First hit is most important, then followups, maybe 3rds total before yogi is on top of you. Yes 9mm is better than nothing but there are better tools For things that claw & bite & not susceptible to a physiological stop.

 

[Railsplitter]

The question is about Buffalo Bore +p+ Penetrator ammo in a Glock 19.

Let me further clarify...

If I'm up in Wyoming, back in the Wind Rivers or in Montana, similar, I carry bear spray.

Rather than buying a Glock 20, or a .44Mag or a .357Mag, I carry a 9mm... in addition to bear spray.

I'd just like to know if anyone has carried the +p+ loads in a 9mm and if they work well with a stock Glock 19.

Not trying to get into a caliber war. I trust you folks understand as I've been on this forum a long time and would like to keep my Glock 19 on me in the backcountry.

Appreciate any solid info on the Penetrator ammo. Thanks!

I carry a 357 Sig loaded with Underwood Xtreme Penetrators or Hornady 147gr XTPs for woods carry. That is solid info, wishing that a certain round will turn the 9mm into a bear gun is risky business.

 

[Supersquatch]

Ooooo.
An old bear killin' thread.
Why do people want 9mm. to be more than it actually is?
It's not exactly a do all caliber.
Heck it's at the bottom of the totem pole for defense against people.