[Konamike]

Wondering if anyone has shot Buffalo Bore 147gr +p+ with their Glock 19 or Glock 43x? Going fly fishing in the back country and wanted a little extra penetrating power.

Ammo gets great reviews but would appreciate insight from anyone on this forum.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

 

[Drmiller101]

Where? What kind of threats are you worried about?
Black bears? Yell and shoot in the air.
Grizzly? Dream big.
2 legged? Hst is my choice.

 

[italianstallion]

Wondering if anyone has shot Buffalo Bore 147gr +p+ with their Glock 19 or Glock 43x? Going fly fishing in the back country and wanted a little extra penetrating power.

Ammo gets great reviews but would appreciate insight from anyone on this forum.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

Careful with +P+ in a single stack Glock (43,43X,48) the slide is relatively lightweight paired with Glock's relatively weak magazine springs, and that +P+ is really sending that slide back and forth mighty fast, I have seen more than one instance where the slide was moving so fast it failed to chamber the following round, so he had a loaded magazine and an empty chamber. NYPD Glock 43 test failed with their Speer GD +P. Multiple people report Critical Duty/Critical Defense 9mm hanging up on the feed ramp of single stack Glocks.

All I am saying is fire a WIDE variety of the +P and +P+ you have through your single stack Glock. I had issues with some customers' Glocks, I switched to P365s and those guns feed everything hot, my pocket carry is a P365 with BB 124gr +P+ 9mm.

 

[Jonny Yuma]

Wondering if anyone has shot Buffalo Bore 147gr +p+ with their Glock 19 or Glock 43x? Going fly fishing in the back country and wanted a little extra penetrating power.

Ammo gets great reviews but would appreciate insight from anyone on this forum.

Thanks for taking the time to respond!

I have shot up a couple of magazines of BB 9mm outdoorsman in my G19. It's expensive so I didn't shoot a lot of it. I found it to be very accurate at 20 yards and I didn't experience any malfunctions with it. After 2 magazines, there was a trace of leading in the bore.

I still have a 20 round box and a G19 mag loaded with 15 rounds.

 

[DeltaFiveBravo]

After an encounter with a black bear sow and cub, in which the sow charged at me while I was mountain biking alone, I loaded my G19 with Underwood 115gr Xtreme Penetrator. Prior to this I loaded my G19 with 147gr HST, because I expected problems with humans and not animals.

 

[ActanonVerba70]

I have 40 rds left (from a 50 rd box) of the following:

I bought the ammo for a similiar reason that you stated in your post.

You are considering the following:

The 115 gr +P+ has higher ft.lbs. of energy but of course a smaller gr. bullet.

FWIW - I wouldn't make a steady "diet" of the Buffalo Bore +P+, as GLOCK states the following:

What kind of ammunition should I use in my GLOCK pistol? Can I use +P and +P+ ammunition?
We recommend using ammunition that is manufactured and meets SAAMI or other industry standards, and while some +P ammunition meets these guidelines, +P+ usually does not. This ammunition may generate a higher pressure than standard ammunition, which could shorten the life of the parts of your firearm.

The 115 gr +P+ is some "stout" ammo when I shot 10 rds from my G19. Wouldn't want to shoot it often.

Good luck on your choice and enjoy your fishing.

 

[bowzette]

After an encounter with a black bear sow and cub, in which the sow charged at me while I was mountain biking alone, I loaded my G19 with Underwood 115gr Xtreme Penetrator. Prior to this I loaded my G19 with 147gr HST, because I expected problems with humans and not animals.

I "suspect" this is the better choice. I would study YT videos on the Underwood XP in 9mm. But if I were really concerned I would consider a different caliber pistol like the 10mm or going with a large revolver caliber, probably a Ruger SA or DA due to their "tank" like build. If you were to ever need a handgun against a large animal like a bear, you will need "a lot' more penetration than the 9mm, not a "little"more penetration.-Just my opinion based upon totally no experience and not likely to get any in the future. A 12 ga Shockwave wouldn't be a bad choice either.

 

[Fatboy2001]

If I were going out into the backcountry and wanted more penetration out of my 9mm I would take Win. 124 NATO ball. I avoid so called +P+ in my G48/43X. I used to run Federal 9BPLE through my G17 when it was widely available. The 17 handled it O.K. Would not try it in my slim lines + it frags badly.

IMHO, if I really thought I was going to run into four-legged trouble I'd get a 10mm and carry Underwood 200 gr ammo.

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[Konamike]

Thank you to all that have responded - your insight was most appreciated. I’ve decided to take my Springfield XDM Elite 4.5 10mm along for the trip instead. I’m a more accurate shot with my G19, hence the consideration for the BB 147. Chances are slim for a confrontation with the four legged kine and I also carry bear spray, but always like to have a contingency plan. Thanks again!

 

[Jonny Yuma]

I'm getting ready for a pack trip into the Bighorns to do a little camping and fishing. I'll be taking My 10mm (G20 Gen 3). But I shoot it a fair amount and I practice the same self-defense drills that I shoot with my G19. My accuracy with both is the same, but I'm necessarily slower with the 10mm because of its greater recoil. If I was noticeably more accurate with the 9mm, I would just load it up with BB outdoorsman ammo and go. I just find it more comforting to carry what I'm accurate with. Also, my G19, fully loaded, is 8 ounces lighter than my G20 fully loaded. The less I carry into the back country the happier I am. In fact, I'm toying with the idea of picking up a used G23 and carrying it instead of mt G20 just to save a few ounces.

 

[Konamike]

I'm getting ready for a pack trip into the Bighorns to do a little camping and fishing. I'll be taking My 10mm (G20 Gen 3). But I shoot it a fair amount and I practice the same self-defense drills that I shoot with my G19. My accuracy with both is the same, but I'm necessarily slower with the 10mm because of its greater recoil. If I was noticeably more accurate with the 9mm, I would just load it up with BB outdoorsman ammo and go. I just find it more comforting to carry what I'm accurate with. Also, my G19, fully loaded, is 8 ounces lighter than my G20 fully loaded. The less I carry into the back country the happier I am. In fact, I'm toying with the idea of picking up a used G23 and carrying it instead of mt G20 just to save a few ounces.

We’re on the same page. I’m going on a fly fishing / camping trip this fall and will be in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, primarily fishing smaller, off the beaten path streams in the backcountry. Standing in a stream for hours, several ounces of your vest /pack makes a difference.

 

[Maxx702]

For HD/SD purposes, no. For that I would prefer 124 0r 147gr HST or Gold Dot. Faster follow up shots due to more manageable recoil and I don't want to have to explain why I loaded my SD gun with exotic ammo in a courtroom. An anti gun prosecutor will argue INTENT.

Maybe if I only owed a 9mm and had to go into the backcountry. But I have a 44 magnum and 300AAC SBR for that.

 

[Drmiller101]

For HD/SD purposes, no. For that I would prefer 124 0r 147gr HST or Gold Dot. Faster follow up shots due to more manageable recoil and I don't want to have to explain why I loaded my SD gun with exotic ammo in a courtroom. An anti gun prosecutor will argue INTENT.

Maybe if I only owed a 9mm and had to go into the backcountry. But I have a 44 magnum and 300AAC SBR for that.

In Idaho Montana and Wyoming your odds of finding an anti gun prosecutor are zero.

 

[Supersquatch]

Thank you to all that have responded - your insight was most appreciated. I’ve decided to take my Springfield XDM Elite 4.5 10mm along for the trip instead. I’m a more accurate shot with my G19, hence the consideration for the BB 147. Chances are slim for a confrontation with the four legged kine and I also carry bear spray, but always like to have a contingency plan. Thanks again!

Good decision.
Practice up with that 10mm.!
The day I got my G20 my G17 started collecting dust.
9mm. is really only a one trick pony in my opinion. Self defense against people. And seems somewhat questionable for that.
That 10mm. covers a lot of bases. Lots of choices in the power you want to bring.
I load mine with either 200 gr. Federal jhp or Hornady 175gr Critical Duty jhp.
I work in the woods and am fairly confident either of those would give a black bear something to think about. Although when I do see one it's already going the other way.
As long as you make some noise and don't be sneaking around they'll hear you and be gone before you see them.

 

[unit1069]

I don't go anywhere in the woods packing a 9mm where I might encounter large animals. Better to have more power.

 

[Maxx702]

In Idaho Montana and Wyoming your odds of finding an anti gun prosecutor are zero.

But your chances of running across a critter that would require a more suitable round than a hot 9mm should be the primary consideration here.

 

[Drmiller101]

But your chances of running across a critter that would require a more suitable round than a hot 9mm should be the primary consideration here.

Around here black bears have manners.
Grizzly are pretty rare and a pistol is best used pointing up.
Lots of dumb people.
Don't pet the buffalo.

9mm is plenty for the dumb people

 

[CREE LED]

I'm getting ready for a pack trip into the Bighorns to do a little camping and fishing. I'll be taking My 10mm (G20 Gen 3). But I shoot it a fair amount and I practice the same self-defense drills that I shoot with my G19. My accuracy with both is the same, but I'm necessarily slower with the 10mm because of its greater recoil. If I was noticeably more accurate with the 9mm, I would just load it up with BB outdoorsman ammo and go. I just find it more comforting to carry what I'm accurate with. Also, my G19, fully loaded, is 8 ounces lighter than my G20 fully loaded. The less I carry into the back country the happier I am. In fact, I'm toying with the idea of picking up a used G23 and carrying it instead of mt G20 just to save a few ounces.

Why not a G29 instead?
I was on vacation in Ca. 2 years ago. Walked a Red Wood trail with one of my kids. Black Berries were in season and the grass was well worn to a patch and there were numerous people on the trail. I stepped into the bush to get some berries to hand out to my daughter and had this strange feeling. I parted the bushes in front of me and a black bear was so close I could have pet it without taking a step. I backed out and we walked away.

 

[bowzette]

Guys, guys, guys you got this all wrong. The issue isn't "how to make the gun you already have work, but Now is the opportunity for a New Gun" You must explain/enlighten the Mrs that you could be eaten alive while fishing for the family meal. This is a dangerous world you are entering into and must be prepared. If you insist on pursuing making what you have work, I must inform the Moderator of this forum the damage you are doing to the rest of us. At my house if "She Who Must Be Obeyed" gets wind of this thread where current guns are adequate to meet future needs, I'm in trouble. This Making What You Have thing is a slippery slope. Before you know it you will be preaching Wokeism, joining the ACLU and contributing to AOC's fund raising-is there no end Man-Up. That's right I used the politically incorrect term "man"-just ask Carlos Santana, and buy the cannon you really need for fly fishing in an area that could, possibly or at lest once upon a time had a bear somewhere around there. If after carefully explaining this need for an additional gun to insure your safety, she, yep I dare said "she", hands you a can of bear spray and an application for more life insurance you may want to reconsider the fishing trip.

 

[Jonny Yuma]

This is how I wound up with two .45 colt revolvers.