All things considered, are the SIG P365 and SIG P320 series of pistols now as drop safe as a Glock? Share any thoughts you have one way or another in the comments.
Are the SIG P365 and SIG P320 series of pistols now as drop safe as a Glock?
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Never heard that the P365 had a drop safe issue before.
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Same here, 320 yes but the 365 no.
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Neither have I, however, no one ever heard of a SIG P320 having a drop issue either for the first three years until it did.
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Although off topic, another amazing shooter is the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact Inox. I converted mine to a reduced profile G-type decocker (no manual safety) and slapped on Ameriglo night sights and a set of Talon Grips and—boy, let me tell you—after owning two dozen concealed carry guns over the years—including six Glocks (Gens 3, 4 & 5) and six M&P's (both 1.0 and 2.0's)—the only gun I like better is my SIG P229 Enhanced Elite (and only marginally and because it is chambered in 9mm, .40 S&W and .357 SIG). The Beretta is about 8 ounces lighter than it, slightly smaller, and less than half the price of my P229. The PX4 Storm is essentially a Glock 26-sized slide on a Glock 19-sized frame and—OMG—it is amazing!
I wasn't impressed holding it in the gun store without Talon Grips (it actually felt weird)—and even the rubberized grips weren't much to write home about—but I put the granulate Talon Grips on recently and I still can't believe it. It's as if they rounded off a Glock grip and changed the grip angle to a perfectly natural point of aim, and this thing is technically a fraction of an inch shorter than a G19 in height and they still managed to pack in 15+1 in this DA/SA pistol (linkage and all).
If everyone shot this gun, half the Glock, M&P, and SIG crowd would convert to the PX4 Storm Compact with Ameriglo sights and it would be one of the most popular guns in the world in my opinion. Instead, it's a relatively obscure gun most people have never felt. I still can't believe how awesome this gun is. I never tried a full-size, but Ernest Langdon said he shoots his compact even better and I believe it. This gun has been around for a long time and it's amazing to me it doesn't have a larger following, but without the granulate Talon grips or a stipple job, I might have sold it. I might either send it to Langdon Tactical or buy their trigger job in a box. From what I've heard, it might even surpass the trigger in my SIG at that point.
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Although off topic, another amazing shooter is the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact Inox. I slapped on a set of Talon Grips and boy, let me tell you, after owning two dozen concealed carry guns over the years, including six Glocks and six M&P's (as well as Walthers, FN's, et al.), the only gun I like better is my SIG P229 Enhanced Elite, and only marginally. The Beretta is about 8 ounces lighter than it, slightly smaller and half the price of my P229. The PX4 Storm is essentially a Glock 26-size slide on a Glock 19-size frame and OMG. I wasn't impressed holding it without Talon Grips, and even the rubberized grips weren't much to write home about, but I put the granulate Talon Grips on recently and I still can't believe it. If everyone shot this gun half the Glock, M&P, and SIG crowd would convert to the PX4 Storm Compact with Ameriglo sights. I still can't believe how awesome this gun is.
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I'll bet that after what happened with the P320, the P365 was the safest gun Sig could release. Videos showed the gun being dropped at any and every conceivable way without going off. Add to that, the P320 has proven the drop problem to have been successfully resolved.
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After owning a whole bunch of Glock's over the years, I now own both a P320 and a P365. I find both pistols to be as safe as any striker fired polymer wonder can be. I also find them to have remarkably good triggers, excellent factory sights, and very comfortable grips.
I don't think Glock's backstraps are a match for the SIG's ability to change grip sizes/colors, or calibers on the P320. Glock also has nothing that is even a comparable option to compete with the P365.
I don't think Glock's backstraps are a match for the SIG's ability to change grip sizes/colors, or calibers on the P320. Glock also has nothing that is even a comparable option to compete with the P365.
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They are absolutely not as drop safe as a Glock. The primary reason being that the Glock design allows for the cruciform (sear) to be “supported” by a hard plastic piece until the trigger gets pulled and moved to the rear - thus allowing the sear to drop and release the striker. The p320 and p365, on the other hand, rely on a spring to support the sear. I feel much better about a hard plastic shelf supporting the sear than a spring - and I’m a big p320/365 fan.
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A couple of things. First, I'll have to look to see where I found this (ArmyTimes?), but I read last year that, a year after the Department of Defense released its XM17 update in January of 2018—and even though they had reported they had fixed the drop issue (though they also reported the fix caused other issues)—the army ran into other unintentional discharges after the alleged fix (note: the XM17 also never passed its MRBS in either phase 1 or phase 2 testing. The compact failed during the former and the full-size failed with FMJ's in the latter).
That said, let's keep in mind that the P365 is another gun (though I assume since it also lacks a trigger safety they went about "solving" the problem in a similar way), it's not exactly like we've seen it thrown out of planes and helicopters like we have seen Glocks.
So are SIG striker-fired guns as safe as Glocks? Without a trigger safety I can't see how, but maybe someone can answer that technical question with proficiency. Even then, hypotheticals don't replace track record.
What I will also say is that SIG originally said that their fix for the P320's drop safety issue was reducing the physical weight (mass) of the trigger to dampen or mitigate the inertia of the trigger upon dropping the gun. Let me be clear, they specifically said originally that no changes were made. Well, a couple of things are fishy about that as well. Although widely reported the SIG had to be dropped on its rear (of the slide), another video demonstrated that is NOT true. Moreover, the videos showed that the trigger didn't move at all in either case, and that the other angle that caused it to fire wouldn't have been remedied by lightening the trigger weight. The changing stories didn't exactly instill confidence (so I passed on buying one).
Well a few months after SIG had claimed they resolved the issue in the consumer market, I had a SIG rep take apart both the old and new system to show me what they changed (he offered), and he pointed out other things besides the physical weight (mass) of the trigger, but without people putting either the P320 or the P365 through the extreme testing we've seen Glocks undergo (and pass), I can't see how anyone can matter-of-factly claim that their striker-fired pistols are as safe as Glocks. I'll drop my P229 from a helicopter all day long without fear it's going to go off, but that is a completely different animal. The truth is that no one can say for sure, but given the track record and merky history surrounding both SIG pistols, I definitely would not assume these SIGs are as drop safe. They may be safe enough, I don't know, but to claim it is as safe is a stretch in my opinion. I haven't seen either of those guns undergo the testing we've seen Glocks put through over the decades, so there's that too.
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So did you put them through a test or something, or are you just making that assumption because they didn't accidently go bang?
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Based on design, there are only a few striker pistols that combine all the specific design elements that create the drop safety that Glock does - again, a physically supported sear, partially cocked striker, trigger tabbed safety, and Striker block. The FN509 and P10c share all these elements for sure. I know there are a few others.
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How did that testing help prevent the M slides from flying off at the first major placement? New design, or design changes make each gun different, and even though Glock's are reliable, they can release a turd like the G42. There are no angelic companies...
The 320 has issues, and they seem to be resolved. I am not aware of the 365 sharing any of those issues, and conflating the two is unwise. They are totally different firearms.
I am reminded by the local police armorer that Glock's failed frisbee tests, require 20,000 to be remilled on site, and the M slides fly off of them.
So, what is the statute of limitations on a company resolving an issue? Is the 320 there yet? Clearly not for some, but clearly a non-issue for others.
I am a bit more pragmatic, and to feel the 320's are finally safe. I have no evidence to indicate otherwise, and the fix has been in the wild for quite a while. I would happily trust a Glock M. I guess I don't latch onto grudges, and am willing to accept that issues at launch can be resolved (except for the R-51...
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As a guy whose pistols don't get dropped out of helicopters, I must admit that I have not put my guns through the same theatrics that we have all seen Glock pistols endure.
My pistols are used for personal protection, and are carried for LE duty use as well. In nearly 20 years as an LEO, and most of that time as a detective, I have investigated a lot of shootings and have been involved in a couple. I have never seen, nor heard of a pistol firing when dropped outaide of the stories on the internet.
I have never dropped my pistols, and have never witnessed anyone else drop theirs. With that said, I have also never seen anyone bury their pistols in mud, sand, dirt, and I have never seen anyone close their slide on a ham sandwich and attempt to fire the gun.
I think most of what we see about drop safety issues is exaggerated. The likelihood that a person is going to drop their pistol and have it fire is probably much lower than the liklihood that they will get complacent and touch off a round by a trigger press when they don't really intend to. Yet... There isn't a safety mechanism to prevent that.
At the end of the day, guys will argue minute details in an effort to make themselves feel better about their own purchases, and as an attempt to convince others of their superiority. The simple fact is that the P365 is on fire in the ccw market, and the P320 is now the standard issue sidearm of the most powerful military on earth.
Glock's are great pistols, but I wont lose any sleep worrying about whether my SIG Sauer pistols are duty worthy... Even if I don't have the luxury of dropping them from a helicopter to prove it.
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Kind of like nobody had K'bs in Glocks until they did? FTRB issues? WML reliability issues? Trigger reset issues. LOL... we can play that logic all day long.
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Aw heck.... let's not forget Glock had to send up a mobile machine shop trailer up to New York for a year to fix all their G19s.
With the P320, the upgrades included a reduced trigger weight and a disconnector, as well as changes to other parts. The source of your information is flawed as the track record since the upgrades has proven the gun to be as safe as the person using it.
If there were still issues with the P320 platform, every youtuber out there would have a video showing as much-just like the the drop issue was discovered.
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