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Are leather powdered lead filled SAP gloves legal and available?

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#1 ·
Are leather powdered lead filled SAP gloves legal and available?

Many years ago a friend lent me a pair to play with. I was impressed. I tested them out by punching a steel door. I bruised a knuckle but put a dent in that door! At the time there was crazy teen age kid vandalizing the neighborhood. He was causing a lot of damage to property.

It ended when his body was found on a dark section of a major trucking highway. He had been run over by vehicles before the body was discovered. The paper reported that he was drunk and had wondered out on the highway. I had a different theory. All's well that ends well.

I returned the SAP gloves to my friend. I think someone beat me to the punch. I never had to use them. I liked the gloves because they looked like normal winter gloves and were comfortable.
 
#6 ·
I had a friend in the Army who over stepped his authority and was given the infamous "Blanket Party". I heard that they used bars of soap in socks on him. Both of his eyes were hemorrhaged and red but no permanent damage was done. He kept a lower profile after that. Poor guy, I felt sorry for him.
 
#4 ·
X-ray tech gloves? I think it is not so much that possession is going to get you. It will be the using that is going to but you legally.

Better off with things jury’s and police are more familiar with.
 
#8 ·
I still shadow-box with weighted gloves, though I've never hit a person with them.

There are a wide range of gloves on the market. The new MMA gloves allow full finger movement.

Mine are 40 years old and made of leather. The weight is probably lead, but they have never leaked and I've never wanted to break a stitch to see what's inside...
 
#9 ·
Don't have any gloves but keep a sap in the work SUV. I got it for a steal off Ebay. Yeah I wouldn't want to get hit with it. Is it legal in TX? They have changed laws so I don't know specifically but I believe so. I believe it would fall under laws pertaining to batons. Heck, I walk the dogs most nights with a PR24.
 
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#19 ·
Last I knew sap gloves would get you in trouble with the law in Kansas.
 
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My great grandfather had a homemade leather "blackjack" or "sap" back in the 20's 30's and 40's.

He was often deputized by the town cop in the sleepy little West Virginia town when a little extra muscle was needed. As I understand, his hard left fist and that blackjack solved a lot of problems.

If you were "up to no good", it was rumored you might expect a visit from him and his people. But widows, the elderly, and those down on their luck with kids to feed often found their company store bill paid, stove wood chopped or bags of groceries on their porches.

I wish I could have known him better, but he passed when I was seven.

But I would give five hundred dollars for that storied blackjack today.

Gray_Rider
Old Secessh
 
#23 ·
My Dad was a bootlegger and bit of a tough guy. He ran booze between West Virginia and Pittsburgh PA during prohibition. He once told me that "its a good idea to carry a pocket full of nickels in your pocket because the extra weight of some coins within your fist makes a big difference when you punch someone." I don't know if he used the coins when he hit someone but he seemed to be speaking from experience. He had a lot of stories about when he rode the rails during the depression and the time he served in jail after they busted his speakeasy in San Francisco. This was a time when men wore fedoras, leather jackets and smoked Lucky Strikes. The Lucky Strikes finally killed him. He lived fast and large during his 81 years.
 
#25 ·
It probably varies form state to state.

In MA I believe they are prohibited to be carried under MGL Ch. 269 Sec 10(b) along with a bunch of other pretty benign weapons:
"Whoever, except as provided by law, carries on his person, or carries on his person or under his control in a vehicle, any stiletto, dagger or a device or case which enables a knife with a locking blade to be drawn at a locked position, any ballistic knife, or any knife with a detachable blade capable of being propelled by any mechanism, dirk knife, any knife having a double-edged blade, or a switch knife, or any knife having an automatic spring release device by which the blade is released from the handle, having a blade of over one and one-half inches, or a slung shot, blowgun, blackjack, metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles, nunchaku, zoobow, also known as klackers or kung fu sticks, or any similar weapon consisting of two sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather, a shuriken or any similar pointed starlike object intended to injure a person when thrown, or any armband, made with leather which has metallic spikes, points or studs or any similar device made from any other substance or a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand, or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends; or whoever, when arrested upon a warrant for an alleged crime, or when arrested while committing a breach or disturbance of the public peace, is armed with or has on his person, or has on his person or under his control in a vehicle, a billy or other dangerous weapon other than those herein mentioned and those mentioned in paragraph (a), shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than two and one-half years nor more than five years in the state prison, or for not less than six months nor more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction, except that, if the court finds that the defendant has not been previously convicted of a felony, he may be punished by a fine of not more than fifty dollars or by imprisonment for not more than two and one-half years in a jail or house of correction."

https://malegislature.gov/laws/generallaws/partiv/titlei/chapter269/section10

So you could have these in your house, but would have no way to get them there unless you had them mailed. Welcome to the retarded legislature of MA.
 
#27 ·
I don't know? The only ones I have held was back around 1980. They were given to a friend by a state trouper. I guess it would depend on the size of the trigger guard. The owner of the gloves ran a strip club in South Korea. He told me that a Korean patron was causing a problem. He decided to show off his martial art stances. My friend told me that he quietly put on his sap gloves while the angry patron was posing and shouting. My friend was not a small or thin man. When the martial art show was going on my friend walked over to him and hit with the sap gloves. The Korean guy was knocked unconscious and carried out by the bouncers. I don't know if was a true story but it's a good one.

Maybe there are some old time police officers that can tell us if these gloves interfere with deploying a fire arm.
 
#29 ·
Michigan
A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or possess any of the following:
A blackjack, slungshot, billy, metallic knuckles, sand club, sand bag, or bludgeon.

My motorcycle gloves have hard thermoplastic knuckle protectors - sort of like SAP gloves but no weight to amplify the force.

Historical note - Roman boxing gloves were iron knuckles.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Hot5hmMmvXjNJXur6
 
#30 ·
It has crosssed my mind that these perfectly ordinary and common gloves, commonly used by Soldiers for shooting, are way, way better than "sap gloves" in a fight - better for punching, light, fire-resistant and good for shooting:
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The lead in sap gloves is so soft I've never seen much point. Sap Gloves with solid lead plates would make sense.
 
#31 ·
Texas legalized brass knuckles last year for the first time since 1918. No idea where you are but the law here defines knuckles as "any instrument that consists of finger rings or guards made of a hard substance and that is designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with a fist enclosed in the knuckles."
 
#32 ·
The "powdered lead" filled gloves that I once saw were not hard. They were soft and would would form to the shape of your knuckles. They simply added some mass to the fist being thrown. (K = ½mv²) It was up to the user to provide the Velocity.