Can't comment on Cali, but in NY a mag is legal if it is "permanently" blocked to 10 rounds or fewer. Only problem is the law is vague with what is " permanent ".

I've seen some steel mags welded, some riveted. I've seen Glock mags epoxied.
I don't know of anyone running into a problem, however you never know who will have a bug up their butt and interpret the law differently.

A local shop is selling a G 19 as a LEO only gun due to the magazine, even though they have new 10 round mags for it for sale themselves.

Sorry to be of no help.......

 

Poster above is correct ^^ for NY
I have epoxied the floorplate and the bottom of the spring with blocks. Also riveted with block.
However all my 10 round mags have been 100% in my G19.
G26 is a better choice. Easy to conceal and those mags there are no issues...plus you get to buy another Glock! and it will work with your 19 mags!

 

For CA, just buy or us 10 rounders.

 

As noted in post #1; I've had three generations of 10 rd mags for my pair of third-gen G19's, used four different followers and three different springs. None of them have been sufficiently reliable with the two different JHP I've tried and some of the combos didn't even work with RN.

A Google search will uncover a mountain of complaints about the 10 rd mags, and some of them were never resolved.

 

I can't speak for the most recent incarnation of the CA laws (I left before they were passed), but historically it was fine to use blocked high capacity mags.

A terrific resource is Calguns.net. Just go on the handguns sub-forum and post the question. The mods might move you to a legal question sub-forum, but likely not until your question was answered in detail.

 

I just registered on Calguns, they said there were sending me an email to activate my account but it hasn't arrived yet and so I can sign in but can't post. Same thing happened a couple of years ago and I never did get it fixed. I'll let you know...

 

It's an interesting issue. People report all sorts of problems with low-cap mags. It doesn't make much sense to use asymmetrical single stack mags in a double stack gun.

If this stuff holds, I wonder if USPSA will comp CA production shooters some weight in the mag for retrofit. Likely not, but a good case could certainly be made.

Personally, I'm not willing to inconvenience myself at the whim of some metro dumbass that thinks 10 round mags are somehow safer than others. Unless the actual game rules change, I'm not going to start using a Barney mag or messing around with mags that don't feed or drop properly. It's just not worth my time.

 

I had plenty of gen round factory mags for my 19 when I lived in New York and never had any issues with them.
When I moved to free America I figured I would get rid of them and buy full cap, but since I shoot uspsa production with the ten round limit decided to keep them and they continue to work fine. There are so many ways to "permanently" modify a mag some good some bad I would stick to the factory 10 round or consider it an excuse to buy a 26

 

I would say don't worry about if it's blocked however the guy at the airport who checks the gun will only see the 15 round hole count. Why take the chance. Just bring a 10rounder instead. Remember in NYC a lot of the tourist venue have metal detectors and will not honor LEOSA. Even us local guys aren't going to get admitted if we bring our firearms. Hell Madison Square Garden gave me a hard time and I had to leave, lodge my gun with the local precinct and come back.

And yes, the NYPD honors LEOSA to the point that some out of town guys lodged their firearm with no problem at the local precinct to see a show and picked up their firearm right after.

 

Magazines were not especifically mentioned in LEOSA so it has a grey area

10 round mags are legal in NYS even under the SAFE act revision. You just couldn't load more than seven in the magazine. Stupid but true. That part was thrown out by a federal judge and the second circuit

 

I meant from the CA law perspective. Things like magazine restrictions, safe handgun roster restrictions, etc. never applied to LE in CA, they are exempt from that nonsense. I was thinking LEOSA might eliminate any of those provisions for the OP in CA, from the CA statue point of view.

If he gets on Calguns, likely The Librarian will know, he knows all the CA laws.

 

If you're in California and you're here carrying under LEOSA, no one is going to hassle you as long as you carry it responsibly. Conversely, I've gone to New York carrying under LEOSA and they couldn't have been nicer.

If you're that concerned, carry a Glock 30s or 1911.

 

I agree with the posts above about NYPD; always friendly folks to deal with (if you're not a crook).

The airlines in other states won't notify NY that I'm flying in with a gun, but when I leave the airline is required to tell Port Authority and an officer has to come by and inspect my creds and gun. They are also friendly, we joke about stopping people smuggling guns out of NYC.
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As mentioned, LEOSA (I'm retired but have the same coverage) exempts me from most of the local laws but magazines are a gray area. What a PITA. I've got one more set of followers (#6 this time) to try in my new-ish 10 rd mags that don't work in my G19's, if that doesn't fix it then I'll go for the blocked mags and stop messing around.

 

If 10 round G19 magazines didn't work, I would short circuit the worries and buy a G26 for going to CA and NY. It should conceal better anyway.

 

Unfortunately, I can believe it.

Partly because it's happened to me, and partly because it's happened to many others. People in CA, NY, and other restrictive states never seem to stop complaining about the 10 rd mags for the G19. Using FMJ can help, but that's a poor choice for carry ammo.
Of course, G26 mags were designed from the start to hold 10 rds and they work just fine.

A Google search will make you very glad you don't live in CA.

The modified mags are a basic 15 rd mag with a block installed to limit them to 10 rds, and then riveted and/or glued to make the modification "permanent." So they work as well as any Glock 15 rd mag.
The Glock 10 rd mags for the G19 are a weird design that instead of being a double stack, are more like a stack-and-a-half. In theory, that should work also. In practice, not very well.

 

I don't own a g19, but I do have a G17 gen2 and G21SF and have never had a problem with the 10 round mags. When I first purchased my Gen2 Glock 17 I did have a bad mag (10 rounder) the lip in front of the nose of the bullet was just a bit too long. I still have the other original magazine that even today, some 20 years later and thousands of rounds through it functions perfectly fine.

 

Historically, the high capacity laws had so many loopholes, you could drive a Mac truck through them. It actually wasn't illegal to own them, even if they weren't pre ban types. It was only illegal to sell them or import them. Everyone that I knew had found theirs by a dumpster, so not having bought them, were technically legal. Lots of guys competed with magazines they had found.

I think you are right about reliability. A number of guys I know prefer blocked high capacity magazines for their 9mm Glocks. After I moved, I had offered a few of them my 10 rounders, no takers.

If you still haven't gotten a login ID by tomorrow, I can login and notify a mod to get you hooked up. The laws in CA are as complex and perverted as you will likely find. Calguns is a critical knowledge base for people in CA to stay on the straight and narrow.

PS - if you do get on Calguns, another question you might pose, maybe even first, is if your LEOSA exempts you from the 10 round limits. Historically LE was exempt from most of the nuttier handgun provisions like 10 round capacity, Safe Handgun Roster, etc. I would actually be surprised if the new laws impacted these exemptions.

Today I got the activation email from calguns, so I'll be able to ask my questions there. Thanks for the offer to help.
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Glad to do it. The CA laws are so arcane (I think on purpose), staying in compliance year to year is a Masters program, each year. Look out for the guy with the handle The Librarian or maybe just Librarian, he is expert on everything CA gun law. Anything he posts you can pretty much bank on, at least for a few weeks..

 

Magazines were not especifically mentioned in LEOSA so it has a grey area

10 round mags are legal in NYS even under the SAFE act revision. You just couldn't load more than seven in the magazine. Stupid but true. That part was thrown out by a federal judge and the second circuit

You must comply with the magazine laws of whatever state you are visiting. LEOSA is silent on magazines and so you are NOT exempt.

 

As mentioned, I couldn't get any of the Glock 10 rd mags to reliably feed JHP in my G19 even with various different springs and followers. Sooner or later, they would always stub a JHP into the bottom of the feed ramp.

Reading on the Calguns forum, I found people who claimed good results by installing the #6 followers. You need to trim a little plastic from the right-top of the mag body so the new follower can rise up far enough. Most people sand the plastic, I used a sharp Exacto knife, slowly and carefully.

Preliminary testing 150 rds with my reloaded JHP and standard velocity JHP was encouraging. Last night I shot a low light IDPA match using the new modified mags and my carry ammo (Win/Fed 115 +P+, lots of flash!), 100 rds total. No problems, so it looks like this is the solution; at least for my gun and my ammo.

Thanks to WeeWilly and others for your help.