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AR15 barrel - 416R stainless VS 4150V Chrome Moly?

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17K views 18 replies 11 participants last post by  MarkCO  
#1 ·
Thinking about buying a low cost mid-length upper - range toy to shoot paper - unless Russia or China attacks :animlol:

I am comparing two uppers from PSA - one has a 416R stainless barrel - the other 4150V Chrome Moly. Both set up the same - I like the Magpul stuff and I would add it anyway so I might as well get it.

I have one upper with an 18" stainless barrel from PSA - honestly don't think I even realized it was stainless until I opened the package -- maybe I did but I don't recall.

Any way - any opinions?

These are the two I am looking at -- $30 more for stainless (plus it is 1:8 instead of 1:7 if that matters). I shoot mostly 55 grain but some 62 -- normally 200 yards or less.

PSA 16" MIDLENGTH 5.56 NATO 1:8 SS MOE FREEDOM UPPER W/BCG, CH, & REAR MBUS SIGHT - 516445358

$299.99

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PSA 16" MID-LENGTH 5.56 NATO 1/7 NITRIDE MOE UPPER WITH BCG, CH, & MBUS REAR SIGHT, BLACK

$269.99

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#4 ·
1:8 twist is better for your typical range ammo.
I was thinking about that too -

I have a 1:9, 16 inch carbine length and a 1:7, 18 inch rifle length


My math --

1:7 with a 16 inch barrel means the bullet goes around 2.29 times before it exits the barrel

1:8 means it only spins 2 times

Can less than 1/3 of an additional rotation really make THAT much difference?
 
#5 ·
I was thinking about that too -

I have a 1:9, 16 inch carbine length and a 1:7, 18 inch rifle length


My math --

1:7 with a 16 inch barrel means the bullet goes around 2.29 times before it exits the barrel

1:8 means it only spins 2 times

Can less than 1/3 of an additional rotation really make THAT much difference?
Yes.
 
#6 ·
I was thinking about that too -

I have a 1:9, 16 inch carbine length and a 1:7, 18 inch rifle length


My math --

1:7 with a 16 inch barrel means the bullet goes around 2.29 times before it exits the barrel

1:8 means it only spins 2 times

Can less than 1/3 of an additional rotation really make THAT much difference?
Not hugely with 55 or 62 grain unless you're shooting well past your stated 200 yd range.
Either twist will stabilize the bullet more than enough.
But very generally, 1:8 may show slightly more accuracy than 1:7 with 55 grain cheapo blaster ammo.
 
#7 · (Edited)
I've owned both of those uppers. Both shot well. From what I understand stainless does not hold up as well in sustained rapid fire as 4150v does.

I like the 18 inch barrel too. I bulit a PSA kit rifle with nitride govt profile 1:8 barrel, Wylde chamber, RRA 2-stage trigger, 3-9x Burris. It is a shooter.

I own a similar configuration in stainless. It also shoots well.


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#8 ·
Cant speak on their stainless barrels but the nitride barrels I have used from them have been pretty good for the price. Accurate enough with cheap ammo and no issues I can really speak of. Honestly for that price either one is an absolute steal for a range toy seeing as it comes with BCG and sights.
 
#9 ·
Stainless is "supposed to" be a tiny bit more accurate than Chrome Moly. But CM will hold up to mag dumps / high rates of fire for longer. your average recreational shooter it will not matter
 
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For most widely available AR-15 barrels, this chart is a handy guide to how to best choose your round. (Photo courtesy/1911Forum)
 
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For most widely available AR-15 barrels, this chart is a handy guide to how to best choose your round. (Photo courtesy/1911Forum)
That's an okay guide or rule-of-thumb but nothing in life is that simple. Too many variables. As an example, I have Black Hills 50 grain (Barnes bullet which is all copper and long for weight) that is a tack driver in my 1:7s.
 
#14 ·
The 1:8 is "trying" to get closer to a match grade barrel, but the 5.56 chamber PSA uses kind of kicks that to the curb. The Nitrided barrel will last a lot longer and since no PSA barrel is a match barrel, you won't see any benefit of going with the 1:8 Stainless. If you want a match grade barrel, look other places than PSA. They make par-level, reliable AR15s with lots of Chineses parts.

The only way you would have any issues with a 1:7 is if you are shooting 50 grain or lighter varmint bullets. The only way you would have any issues with a 1:8 is if you are shooting 80 grain or heavier match bullets past 600 yards.
 
#15 ·
The 1:8 is "trying" to get closer to a match grade barrel, but the 5.56 chamber PSA uses kind of kicks that to the curb. The Nitrided barrel will last a lot longer and since no PSA barrel is a match barrel, you won't see any benefit of going with the 1:8 Stainless. If you want a match grade barrel, look other places than PSA. They make par-level, reliable AR15s with lots of Chineses parts.

The only way you would have any issues with a 1:7 is if you are shooting 50 grain or lighter varmint bullets. The only way you would have any issues with a 1:8 is if you are shooting 80 grain or heavier match bullets past 600 yards.
I'm not saying you are wrong but what parts used by PSA come from China? I thought they made most of their parts themselves.
 
#16 ·
I have seen info both ways on their steel parts. Their premium line barrels and bolts were from FN for a while, not sure now. But the majority of their aluminum parts are cast in China and finished in the US. That is a major cost savings since it avoids import tariffs on finished goods but still cheaper than US by a good margin.

I have talked to them at SHOT, in person, and they confirmed that a "good portion" of their parts are sourced from China. They would not give me a number, or what parts specifically.
 
#19 ·
Exactly, can't import gun parts from China. That is why they import castings and unfinished parts that are completed in the US. That is legal because they are not yet "gun parts".