what are your thoughts on these guns. Looks like the scar is $400 higher. both have + and -.
anyone own one or shot one.
thanks
anyone own one or shot one.
thanks
ACR or SCAR 16s
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I haven't shot either, but I believe what he's referring to is the Scar 17 is a soft shooting and highly rated as a high cap .308 rifle. A lot of people don't see the advantage in 5.56 and would prefer to stick with a AR due to modularity and price.
Probably better stated as
17 is an improvement
16 is just another so why switch and pay more?
Probably better stated as
17 is an improvement
16 is just another so why switch and pay more?
SOCOM decided against the SCAR 16 because it didn't offer enough improvement over the M4 carbine to offset the cost, however they switched the orders they placed for SCAR 16 to SCAR 17 and SCAR 20. I think they're right, you can get an excellent AR for 1500 dollars or less, there are more items on the market for the AR. That's just me personally, if I want a .223/5.56 it would be an AR, if I wanted a SCAR it would be the 17.
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I have no range time with the ACR..
The SCAR 16 on the other hand Ive had the pleasure, Pure pleasure, of sending multiple mags through. I dont own an AR and If I was ever in the market for a tactical combat rifle of such category, the SCAR 16 would be it. The action is pure delight and I truly had a great time sending 5.56 to their doom
There is not much wrong with current civilian m4 rifles but, In my eyes, there is even less wrong the SCAR
best of luck
The SCAR 16 on the other hand Ive had the pleasure, Pure pleasure, of sending multiple mags through. I dont own an AR and If I was ever in the market for a tactical combat rifle of such category, the SCAR 16 would be it. The action is pure delight and I truly had a great time sending 5.56 to their doom
There is not much wrong with current civilian m4 rifles but, In my eyes, there is even less wrong the SCAR
best of luck
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When I was with AFSOC, I qualified with the SCAR-L and fam-fired the SCAR-H. The SCAR-L was cool to play with but I really didn't see any vast improvement over my M4 and the accuracy was pretty similar as well. The SCAR stayed cleaner in the receiver than the M4 but now you have a piston that needs cleaning that the M4 didn't have. Now the SCAR-H was a different story and I agree with SOCOM's decision to buy more of these rifles. While the M-14 is a great rifle, parts are drying up even in military channels and the SCAR-H definitely fills the void of a rifle with more punch and range than the 5.56mm round offers.
As far as the ACR goes, a buddy of mine had one he loaned to me for a few days to see what I thought of it. Again, accuracy was on par with my M4 and the cleaner receiver and piston that required cleaning wasn't really any different than the SCAR. I did like the bolt release button of the ACR better and have no problems with the 1:9" twist of the Bushmaster rifle as it handles M855 and M193 ammo without any problems. Sure, you run into issues with longer, heavier bullets but for what I stick with, (M855 and M193) it's not an issue. Also, the slower twist doesn't burn out barrels as fast as the faster 1:7" twist of the M4 or SCAR. I did feel that the quick change barrel feature while a neat idea, really wasn't necessary as well as added extra weight for a marginal return. Also, in regards to the barrel, why the M4 style? the stepped barrel is for use with the M203 grenade launcher that as a civilian, you aren't going to have in the first place and while I never tried it, I don't think the M203 is compatible with the ACR even if you did have one. I think Bushmaster could have eliminated the muzzle heavy feel of piston rifles had they gone to a lighter barrel like FN did with the SCAR.
Really I think it boils down to what is you budget and which one do you like better. The M4, SCAR-L and ACR are all pretty much equal in performance based on my experience. Of course, parts is not going to be an issue with the M4 but both the SCAR-L and ACR have far more CDI points going for it. However, if I was buying a new rifle, I think the choice I would go with would still be an M4, mainly based on the parts supply issue.
As far as the ACR goes, a buddy of mine had one he loaned to me for a few days to see what I thought of it. Again, accuracy was on par with my M4 and the cleaner receiver and piston that required cleaning wasn't really any different than the SCAR. I did like the bolt release button of the ACR better and have no problems with the 1:9" twist of the Bushmaster rifle as it handles M855 and M193 ammo without any problems. Sure, you run into issues with longer, heavier bullets but for what I stick with, (M855 and M193) it's not an issue. Also, the slower twist doesn't burn out barrels as fast as the faster 1:7" twist of the M4 or SCAR. I did feel that the quick change barrel feature while a neat idea, really wasn't necessary as well as added extra weight for a marginal return. Also, in regards to the barrel, why the M4 style? the stepped barrel is for use with the M203 grenade launcher that as a civilian, you aren't going to have in the first place and while I never tried it, I don't think the M203 is compatible with the ACR even if you did have one. I think Bushmaster could have eliminated the muzzle heavy feel of piston rifles had they gone to a lighter barrel like FN did with the SCAR.
Really I think it boils down to what is you budget and which one do you like better. The M4, SCAR-L and ACR are all pretty much equal in performance based on my experience. Of course, parts is not going to be an issue with the M4 but both the SCAR-L and ACR have far more CDI points going for it. However, if I was buying a new rifle, I think the choice I would go with would still be an M4, mainly based on the parts supply issue.
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I think most of the sentiment expressed above is right on. Will the SCAR 16 be heads and shoulders above an M4? No. They shoot the same round. But...I enjoy running and maintaining the SCAR over the M4. I think it's a more user friendly system.
Note...if you are married to the thumb over hold, the SCAR will be an issue with the reciprocating charging handle. Either strong side, or off side. It's manageable. Just be aware. What the SCAR brings feature wise off-sets that for me.
The SCAR 17 is really where the bonus is realized. The 7.62 SCAR is super lightweight. And handy. Getting that in a AR or M1a is tough.
Also....the SCAR is designed from the ground up to be caliber convertible and barrel switchable. AR wasn't. But....that doesn't mean that SCAR has a universe of parts and 3rd party companies supplying those needs. It doesn't.
And that is where the AR wins. Lots of investment in that platform. Very mature. Look at the Larue OBR for example. But I hope over time the SCAR gets that kind of attention.
Note...I run a SCAR 16 full-time. I don't even have a functioning AR right now. But the jury is still out. I might hit 100,000 rounds in my SCAR and it falls apart. I don't have ANY reason to think that will happen. I have every reason to think the SCAR is the future.
But just like the GLOCK, it took a lot of years to earn that rep. I'm not going to invest my ego in a rifle selection. Right now, I'd go to war with it. But I can't promise that is the best choice. Yet.
Vs ACR....SCAR. DON'T look back. IMO.
Marky
Note...if you are married to the thumb over hold, the SCAR will be an issue with the reciprocating charging handle. Either strong side, or off side. It's manageable. Just be aware. What the SCAR brings feature wise off-sets that for me.
The SCAR 17 is really where the bonus is realized. The 7.62 SCAR is super lightweight. And handy. Getting that in a AR or M1a is tough.
Also....the SCAR is designed from the ground up to be caliber convertible and barrel switchable. AR wasn't. But....that doesn't mean that SCAR has a universe of parts and 3rd party companies supplying those needs. It doesn't.
And that is where the AR wins. Lots of investment in that platform. Very mature. Look at the Larue OBR for example. But I hope over time the SCAR gets that kind of attention.
Note...I run a SCAR 16 full-time. I don't even have a functioning AR right now. But the jury is still out. I might hit 100,000 rounds in my SCAR and it falls apart. I don't have ANY reason to think that will happen. I have every reason to think the SCAR is the future.
But just like the GLOCK, it took a lot of years to earn that rep. I'm not going to invest my ego in a rifle selection. Right now, I'd go to war with it. But I can't promise that is the best choice. Yet.
Vs ACR....SCAR. DON'T look back. IMO.
Marky
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I love my SCAR-16S. And, so does anyone who has ever fired it (including many dyed-in-the-wool AR-15 aficionados). Every one of them makes the same comment after firing it: "Smooth!" And, it is! Plus, it's just a COOL rifle.
At the range, once, the guy in the next lane had an ACR. We traded rifles to try them out. My experience was brief, and the ACR seemed OK. But, I don't regret buying the SCAR.
My FNH "collection"
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At the range, once, the guy in the next lane had an ACR. We traded rifles to try them out. My experience was brief, and the ACR seemed OK. But, I don't regret buying the SCAR.
My FNH "collection"
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Hi Racer,
How do you rate that FS-2000 in comparison?
Trivia question for the GT gang:where does the FS eject its empty shells?
How do you rate that FS-2000 in comparison?
Trivia question for the GT gang:where does the FS eject its empty shells?
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Yes indeed. Through a tube besides the barrel.
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It's hard to compare because they are so different.
I call my SCAR my "Ferrari" rifle. It's pretty special to me (and the most expensive piece I have). It shoots very smoothly and looks fantastic. I'm a big fan of "form follows function," which is why I also like Glocks.
I just had to have the FS2000, because it looks so cool. Well... that could be said about many of FNH's designs. I really like FNH guns because they're so different (than the mainstream stuff). The FS2000 looks like something out of "Buck Rodgers." It's my first (and only, so far) bullpup. What I like about the bullpup concept is that it offers the ergonomic benefits of an SBR without the special tax stamp. It's another cool example of form following function.
Yep.. the FS2000 ejects the spent brass out the front right side. There's even a trap door there that, when closed, will actually retain five shells inside. So, you can fire five rounds and have no shells eject at all. Once you fire the sixth round, the door gets pushed open, and the brass comes out from that point forward.
One of the things I enjoy most about owning these interesting guns is SHARING the experience. They always get attention at the range. And, if I strike up a conversation with some of these nice folks, I usually offer to let them shoot it. They are always surprised and very grateful. It's fun to watch the inevitable and spontaneous grins!
Mind you, I'm actually a relative "noob" in the firearms world. So, I won't pretend to offer an "expert" review or comparison. But, there you have it.... for what it's worth. :wavey:
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