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+1 loading and slide release

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It is not a good thing to drop the slide on a round in the chamber, it is quite stressful for the extractor and can crack and break it.

There is no magic here, load the magazine fully, push it in the pistol with slide locked back, drop slide by pulling it back by hand and letting it go, remove magazine, pull slide slightly back to ensure a round is chambered, load one more round in magazine and reinsert in pistol till the mag release clicks. Where is the difficulty?

Way back when, Glock's did not have a hard enough slide treatment at the slide hold open notch and would wear when the slide release was used a lot. Supposedly today that is not an issue but old habits prevent me from using the manual slide release.
 
#4 ·
From the Glock Owners Manual,


“If the slide is locked in the rearward position, either press the slide stop lever (27) down to release the slide and return it to the fully forward position or grasp the rear of the slide at the serrations with your other hand and pull the slide fully back and then release it, allowing it to return to the fully forward position.”
 
#5 ·
From the Glock Owners Manual,


“If the slide is locked in the rearward position, either press the slide stop lever (27) down to release the slide and return it to the fully forward position or grasp the rear of the slide at the serrations with your other hand and pull the slide fully back and then release it, allowing it to return to the fully forward position.”
Sounds like either is okay.
 
#7 ·
Loading the chamber and dropping the slide is not recommended because of the potential for damage to the extractor. You would have been extremely unlucky to have suffered damage after only doing so two to three times. Now that you know better, knock it off.

Releasing the slide from the lever is, as said above, approved in the manual. Does it increase wear on that part? It almost has to. Will it wear to a significant degree? Probably not for a long time.

I bought a used Beretta 84FS that had enough wear on the part to keep the slide from locking back reliably. The surface that contacted the slide was rounded off. It does happen. I slingshot the slide on all my pistols, including the repaired 84.
 
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It’s an absolute fact that this practice breaks extractors. I told my cousin not to do it. He had to have that +1 and was scared of round setback. Started having reliability issues, brought it to Smyrna. You guessed it.. chipped extractor.

I believe during the normal operation of a Glock (cycling slide during firing), the round is stripped from the mag and slips under the extractor from beneath. The slide is also being slowed down a bit as a round is stripped from the magazine. This doesn’t break extractors on a routine basis. But dropping one in the chamber and slamming the slide shut most certainly does.
 
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It's as simple as A,B,C.

A. Load mag to full capacity.
B. chamber a round.
C. Top off mag.

Why carry a gun with less than full capacity? Some people don't do it but their reasoning is based in superstition.

Glock magazines are 100 per cent reliable and there is no downside to carrying a Glock loaded to full capacity or for that matter, carrying a 1911 loaded with Wilson magazines.
 
#17 ·
It's as simple as A,B,C.

A. Load mag to full capacity.
B. chamber a round.
C. Top off mag.

Why carry a gun with less than full capacity? Some people don't do it but their reasoning is based in superstition.

Glokc magazines are 1
Is it also acceptable to have a training magazine, load it with one round, insert one round magazine into gun, load one round, eject empty magazine e and insert fully loaded magazine? :cheers:
 
#20 ·
For nearly 30 years I've carried full magazine plus 1. Uncle Sam was a bit different prior. :whistling: Before that, it was revolvers.

I've always loaded from the magazine, drop the mag and top off. Slide stop or sling-shot. No reliability issues.

In times past, I swapped out carry guns more than I do now. Bullet setback is real. After a few loadings, I'd measure the OAL of a round before chambering. ANY hint of movement and I'd add that round to the practice pile.
 
#22 ·
I used to use glocks to compete, now just 1911's.... because getting the last round in the mag is difficult.. I typically don't load the last round in a glock. In a 1911 mag it's not that hard so I load to capacity.

Typically in my old idpa days I just carried a spare mag to load the chamber , than dropped the slide and inserted a full or almost full magazine in the Magwell
 
#25 ·
What is setback? I will guess that a bullet is smashed further into the casing?
Yes. Loaded too many times, a projectile can be pushed further back into a casing. This could potentially increase the pressure of the round and damage the gun/shooter.

I have measured my carry rounds by caliber and manufacturer. If they move, I practice with them. It usually takes awhile. The most easily moved for me has been a 380 load. A Hornady XTP projectile loaded by HPR. After even 1 or 2 loadings, I'd see movement. I quit buying that ammo.
 
#28 ·
It's as simple as A,B,C.

A. Load mag to full capacity.
B. chamber a round.
C. Top off mag.

Why carry a gun with less than full capacity? Some people don't do it but their reasoning is based in superstition.

Glock magazines are 100 per cent reliable and there is no downside to carrying a Glock loaded to full capacity or for that matter, carrying a 1911 loaded with Wilson magazines.
I have always done this..A+B+C. With a Glock, I have never had a reliability issue with a fully loaded mag.
 
#30 ·
It's as simple as A,B,C.

A. Load mag to full capacity.
B. chamber a round.
C. Top off mag.

Why carry a gun with less than full capacity? Some people don't do it but their reasoning is based in superstition.

Glock magazines are 100 per cent reliable and there is no downside to carrying a Glock loaded to full capacity or for that matter, carrying a 1911 loaded with Wilson magazines.
Not 100%....
Bragged on glock reliability.
Had a failure do to mag not feeding in front of the 3 people that I bragged to.
One is happy with his hi-point
 
#35 ·
Federal hst and critical duty don’t have set back issues they have neck sealant and cannulures there is no reliabilityissues with a full mag and one in the chamber.... app
Just one of the reasons I use hornady critical duty ammo almost 100 percent. I have some other ammo around from before I switched.
 
#33 ·
I had no clue to go about inserting a full magazine, chamber one, and then top the magazine off with a round. Usually, I have never gone plus one, but I have loaded my 19 2-3 times by inserting the bullet into the barrel, releasing the slide, Total noob qs. :)
That's a sure way to chip the extractor. Either stick a full mag into the gun and sling shot it, then add one more round to the magazine the re-insert. or have a slide locked empty gun, stick a mag in, push the slide stop lever to release the slide, and put one more round in the mag then re-insert.

If the bullet diameter does not have enough interference with the case ID, you will get setback. It's not just the round that gets chambered, it's every round in the mag could setback each time you pull the trigger.

Don't load and unload a carry gun. Keep it hot 24/7. Then when you go to range, shoot out the chambered round, practice with your practice ammo, and start with a fresh carry round.
 
#34 ·
Only thing to add is instead of loading the +1 round off a full mag, do it with a mag with just one round .... That way saves your thumb a bit.
 
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#36 ·
I have done it both ways, either load a full mag, and drop the slide, then put another round in mag, or load a mag with one drop slide, with one, and then load full mag into pistol.
Just don't drop the slide on a round in chamber.
Especially carry G-43 10+1, I have carried both ways, + 1, and just full mag, one in chamber.
Went to show my Wife the G-43 the other day. I took it from holster, racked the slide, to empty chamber, then dropped the mag. Then it dawned on me a round was in the chamber.
I Racked the slide again, and locked it back. put both rounds in the mag. looked at the chamber, and saw empty chamber, and looked through slide to the ground.
I let the slide down, and handed it to her.