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Does anyone else find it rather amusing that suddenly the drop safe aspect of handguns is coming into the limelight? Obviously we know why (thanks Sig), but people are so clueless and ignorant to not realize that most 1911’s and nearly all 2011’s are not drop safe.

NONE of the high end builders, such as Wilson, Baer, Guncrafter, Ed Brown, Nighthawk, etc, etc use firing pin safeties. I mean none. Many of the cheap and midrange production 1911’s don’t have them either. Hey, TISAS fanatics, your 1911’s aren’t drop safe either.

In the 2011 world, it’s almost completely non-existent. Even Staccato, who basically invented the duty 2011, doesn’t use them. They just started to with their HD line, no doubt as a knee-jerk reaction to the sudden “drop safe craze”.

I’ve never cared for 1911’s with Series 80 or other various forms of firing pin safeties. I own a few, but 95% of my 1911 and 2011’s do not have them and for good reason. They suck.

Seriously, are people that stupid and ignorant to never realize these pistols weren’t drop safe all along? Granted, the 1911 design will generally fire into the ground when dropped, but still.

So many people are like sheep and just follow the latest craze. Too bad, they can’t think for themselves.

Just curious of your thoughts here…
 
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It’s all because of all these YouTube “gun pros”. I’ve noticed they always have to find something to complain about to get people to click on the videos. And they all seem to follow the same trends. Focus on the new stuff, then when there’s a lull in new stuff, they “rediscover” something like the Glock 26 or 40 S&W and they all seem to make the same video.

this is just one of the “new” issues they “discovered”.

Wait until they find out an AR and an 870 aren’t drop safe….
 
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Walt Kuleck in one of his 1911 books did some drop testing of 1911s with a Wolff XP pin spring installed. The variations were firing pin material (steel or titanium) and firing pin size (.45 or 9mm). The worst case scenario was .45 steel pin 1911 dropped on concrete, which still had to be dropped from 4 feet to get an ignition sometimes. To get a consistent ignition, they had to drop from 5 feet IIRC. I have never dropped a gun, and if I ever do, I doubt it would be from 5 feet. So it’s not something I worry about.
 
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Great thread - all I can add is STI used the titanium firing pins to lessen the chance of ignition in the “drop” scenario. I have not ever dropped a pistol so I can’t say as I believe it makes a big difference.
 
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I remember when everyone who had a series 70 added titanium firing pins to “lessen” the chance. Ended up causing a lot of light primer strikes and other issues.

I agree, it’s simply amazing how the media can change the mind of anyone who doesn’t do their own research.

I can sort of see the issue with a striker fired set up, without a proper manual safety. In the case of a hammer fired weapon with a thumb safety, I think it’s kind of a moot point. I mean, how hard must a gun fall onto its muzzle to ignite a primer? I get inertia and all that, but that has to be quite a fall at an exact angle of impact.
 
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The other thing people are unaware of is the series 70 can, I repeat can slam fire when chambering a round. It's unlikely in the extreme but with a worn firing pin spring it "can" occur. If you run this platform being mindful of spring life is mandatory. A 1911 is a platform that takes maintenance to be used properly and safely.
 
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If I put my car in reverse (to back out of a parking spot) and there is a car behind me it sets off an obnoxious alarm. Same goes for seatbelts, low batteries on smoke detectors, etc. People need to be saved from themselves, or so we are told. I've lost count of how many vehicles I have bought over the years, but I know I've paid at least $100K for air bags which I have never used.
I make it a rule not to drop my firearms. Maybe they need to engrave on the side of firearms, next to "read the instruction manual", "Do not drop"., :)
 
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bac1023 said:
Does anyone else find it rather amusing that suddenly the drop safe aspect of handguns is coming into the limelight? Obviously we know why (thanks Sig), but people are so clueless and ignorant to not realize that most 1911’s and nearly all 2011’s are not drop safe.

NONE of the high end builders, such as Wilson, Baer, Guncrafter, Ed Brown, Nighthawk, etc, etc use firing pin safeties. I mean none. Many of the cheap and midrange production 1911’s don’t have them either. Hey, TISAS fanatics, your 1911’s aren’t drop safe either.

In the 2011 world, it’s almost completely non-existent. Even Staccato, who basically invented the duty 2011, doesn’t use them. They just started to with their HD line, no doubt as a knee-jerk reaction to the sudden “drop safe craze”.

I’ve never cared for 1911’s with Series 80 or other various forms of firing pin safeties. I own a few, but 95% of my 1911 and 2011’s do not have them and for good reason. They suck.

Seriously, are people that stupid and ignorant to never realize these pistols weren’t drop safe all along? Granted, the 1911 design will generally fire into the ground when dropped, but still.

So many people are like sheep and just follow the latest craze. Too bad, they can’t think for themselves.

Just curious of your thoughts here…
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I would never own a 1911 with a firing pin safety.

BUT, I would also never carry a 1911 with the hammer down on the firing pin on a live round. Carrying a 1911 like a normal shooter, cocked and locked, the firing pin safety makes no difference.

With a P320, you don't have that option. At best, you can carry a manual safety model (assuming the safeties work) or carry with an empty chamber.
 
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John_AZ said:
It’s all because of all these YouTube “gun pros”. I’ve noticed they always have to find something to complain about to get people to click on the videos. And they all seem to follow the same trends. Focus on the new stuff, then when there’s a lull in new stuff, they “rediscover” something like the Glock 26 or 40 S&W and they all seem to make the same video.

this is just one of the “new” issues they “discovered”.

Wait until they find out an AR and an 870 aren’t drop safe….
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That’s why so few gun channels on YouTube interest me. Except for Forgotten Weapons, TFB TV, and Lucky Gunner they are all pretty much the same thing.
 
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