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Potential or stupid idea?

7.5 FK for the Glock Platform?

8.1K views 28 replies 8 participants last post by  Huratio76  
#1 ·
I was reading some recent articles that mentioned the 7.5x27mm caliber by FK BRNO, and it seemed very interesting, if some of the numbers I've read are accurate, it can pack a helluva punch.

It's got very similar dimensions to 10mm Auto in terms of diameters, but it's OAL is too long, at 35mm (to 10mm Auto's 32mm)

Thankfully, this problem has been tackled before, by which I mean .22 TCM, and it's variant .22 TCM 9R. A variant that uses a shorter bullet.

If the same method was used for 7.5 FK, then it could theoretically fit perfectly in a Glock 20 (or a 29 or 40, but the 20's the default for 10mm I suppose.)

I even make a diagram to compare:
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.22 TCM for reference:
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What do you all think, I'm sure there are plenty more experts here than I am, does this have potential? Or are there other issues like pressure and ballistic coefficient that prevent this idea from working?
 
#4 ·
I would shy away from the 22-9r bullet type design, you are really limiting versatility by doing that IMHO. It's much better to go with a shorter case and have lots of bullets to be able to use. I also like to have easily accessible brass which the 7.5 does not have going for it.

I've wildcatted a few rounds in Glock platforms using easily available cases. I've gotten close to 7.5 ballistics with my 30 super which is a 9x23 (9mm largo or 38 super brass is used) case necked down to 30 cal. The 7.5FK runs a 95g bullet at 2000fps and I've got an 85g bullet to just under 2000fps in my 6" 17L all while fitting in a 9mm frame gun loaded to 1.150". Taking a 357 sig or the 9x25 case and further necking it down to 30 cal would be faster faster than my 30 super and could be a great g40 pistol round. This would meet and most likely exceed 7.5 ballistics in a much more available case without limiting yourself to a funky nosed bullet.

Moving up to the 35 cal I have the 357 sig, 9x25 and 38 casull glocks. I can exceed 2000fps with 90g bullets in all of them. The 9x25 can hit 2300fps with a 7.25" barrel and 2200fps in a 6" barrel. The 38 casull (really a 38-45 improved which is a 45 acp necked down to 35) will max at 2400fps in a 6" barrel with the 90s and 2700fps with a 65g bullet. All 3 fit into the 10mm frame guns wonderfully with room to spare for different bullets. I can run 65g up to 180g bullets at usable velocity.

If you're an energy nut, the 30 super can approach 750lbs of energy the 357 sig can touch 900 loaded to 1.250" and both the 9x25 and 38 casull can exceed 1000lbs of energy loaded to 1.280". The 10mm, 400 corbon and 45 super are all over 1000lbs from a glock as well.
 
#5 ·
I would shy away from the 22-9r bullet type design, you are really limiting versatility by doing that IMHO. It's much better to go with a shorter case and have lots of bullets to be able to use. I also like to have easily accessible brass which the 7.5 does not have going for it.
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Here's roughly what a design that has a shortened case but regular 7.5mm bullets might look like.
 
#6 ·
I love your posts SS 3078. I funnally in life found that in life my tokarev round Is all I need in a handgun. Never thought I'd say that . Next project Is your 30 super as soon as I get the Money for the bar sto barrel:D
Can we somehow come up with the 357 sig necked to 30? How would you see this happening? Would be a dream come true in a glock. I don't know of Anyone making a base barrel like the 30 luger for the larger case head would you just have to start with a Barrel blank and cut the barrel bore yourself?
 
#14 ·
I would love to have a glock do this but also the tokarev isn't limited by oal and it already uses a 30 cal!! The only limitation is strength of the older guns And absolutely no way I have found to have a longer barrel made . I've gotten to 90gr at 2000 fps its a BEAST!! My purpose is to stop lugging a rifle and gear for it weighing in at almost 20 lbs backpacking..with a tok all you'd need is a few mags and the pistol itself!! I can't believe its not more popular its crazy you can make tokarev brass out of 5.56 brass and the rounds are ideally 30 cal 90 gr xtps! They are unbelievable and that last statement kinda reminds me of a shorter 300 blackout..hmm. crazy thing is it is just like it ! And with a longer barrel staying at 110gr or below it's absolutely nipping at the heels or equaling a 300 blackout in pistol lengths! And the recoil is basically non existint it's absolutely incredible..i have no idea why it's not more popular
 
#16 ·
Hey bud! I don't want to post the loads on here but I'm fanatical about the cartridge lol... I have done my own chrono work and with a 90gr xtp my "light load" gets 1850fps. My hot balls to the wall load gets 2004 fps..it's absolutely unreal out of the 4.5 barrel . For penetration I'm just short of my 300 aac in wood with 110 grain round nose 30 carbine bullets. I shot the 90gr xtp into a light steel pot of water it blew the steel pot in half lol. Can you imagine the pressure wave to do that ? I also shot it through a steel thick frying pan the 10mm did put a deep dent in using 180gr fmj but not only did it penetrate it like butter it blew the water jug behind it to little pieces. Doing testing with this round shows above 1850fps it frags nasty but ALSO penetrates extreme hard cover making it ideal for medium game protection while hiking
I look at the tiny pistol and look at the tests and go how is this even possible? I can't believe that they came up with this round in 1933 or what not. I'd pay a stupid amount of money to have a 7.5 or 8 inch barrel . The very long oal with room to spare In the tokarev design is simply incredible but I'm right there with you with the glock idea it is a very old platform and isn't good at all for maxing out a round. I think even better would be the 40 necked down to 30 since then you have more volume in the width rather than length. Also to Have basically a relic you can ccw rather then 20 pounds of gear on a hike tucked away would be a dream come true . Any sort of extended barrel on a platform that can take the heat like a glock could literally approach or even perhaps equal a 300 black out of a short barrel! I think If we can find someone who can make the barrel we'd be set . As a reloader you know how easy it Is to shorten oal. I love was ss3087 has done by keeping the weight by finding blunt nosed rounds. We can do this . I would do almost anything to have it in a glock and living in extremely liberal areas I'd absolutely love to just have my CRelic for the outdoors...it is a beast in disguise I cannot believe how well they engineered this round If only someone could make an extended barrel...
By the way I use 90gr xtp and AA9 . The 90gr xtp round Is the best designed round I've ever seen its insanely tough yet creates a massive temporary or permanent cavity exactly what I want for the field when critters might be about that wish to eat me
 
#17 ·
As a side note I think the soviets designed it to be a complement to their 30 cal rifles and now with modern day reloading it Is the ultimate ak clone(300 aac ) companion..you can use the same brass same powder and same lighter grain bullets! It's a keeper for life .why hasn't anyone noticed with all the short barrel rage?
 
#21 ·
The first (American) conversion of 1911 to 7.62 Tok that I saw was done by the mono bloc method.
The breech end of a .45 barrel was cut off and reamed out. A .30 tube was sleeved in and chambered.
I don't see why that would not work for a 7.5 in a G20. It does for Imbel, FN, Perazzi, and Beretta on various guns.
 
#22 ·
The first (American) conversion of 1911 to 7.62 Tok that I saw was done by the mono bloc method.
The breech end of a .45 barrel was cut off and reamed out. A .30 tube was sleeved in and chambered.
I don't see why that would not work for a 7.5 in a G20. It does for Imbel, FN, Perazzi, and Beretta on various guns.
Exactly Jim!! I totally forgot to mention this ! And I heard with some know how one could do it ..only that would trip me up personally not having the skill is I read you Want to make a step so the chamber doesn't slip forward past the host barrel(10mm). Anyways you just reminded me of how easy this could be done!
Please correct me if I'm wrong this is what we will need:
A host glock 20 10mm barrel preferably with case support
A 30 cal thick blank
A 7.5FK reamer (or I'm sure someone on here will have a way around that
And lastly a mill.
The procedure
Bore out the glock 20 barrel to specified diameter
Cut the 30 cal barrel blank to exact same diameter
Insert the 30 cal barrel blank inside the glock 20 barrel . Some have used a special glue id prefer something much stronger. If a step is made in the machining process to stop the blank from sliding forward I suppose cold weld etc would do
Last step is to ream our sleeved barrel at chamber end to 7.5FK
Very last thing is to melt the feed ramp to the new specs since the barrel blank might be in the way . This is super easy
I think we need a 30 cal barrel blank (easy to find) a 7.5FK reamer (don't know about this one but I'm sure it can't be that hard to find)
And lastly a machinist to machine the two pieces .I think we could find someone with no issues for this also . The glock barrel would just need one very straight hole
This like you mentioned isn't ground breaking .its been done many times heck I have barrels that if you look
Closely you can see that exactly was done
I think this is our best bet because I don't know any company willing to make a barrel that custom
Anyways If this is done properly it will hold up for years ! This and an extended tokarev barrel and I'll be in heaven . But either one and I'll be a kid at Christmas.what do you guys think ?
 
#26 ·
Well guys If anyone Is still reading I found the solution
Order a heavy profile 308 barrel blank
Machine (easy for ANY mill ) the outside of fhe barrel
Ream to 7.5FK
I can't believe how easy this is
If only the freaking tokarev didn't have such a long locking lug at the bottom.
I looked over all the dimensions. It will work with 1.2 plus Diameter barrel blank
I am going to machine one for my glock in 40 cal since that's all I have. I will machine one for 7.62x25mm and one for 7.5FK
This is a dream come true and a barrel blank Costs about 100 bucks .it is obviously the steel barrels are made out of so it's built for this very purpose another plus .I guess I will check here on the Services board who can machine it otherwise I'll find someone local. But here you guys go no more looking for custom barels and paying possibly thousands IF you get a company even interested in doing it