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The G42 is in a unique class of firearm. It’s larger than typical .380 pocket pistols such as the LCP 2 while being smaller and lighter than the P365/Hellcat. It’s bridging the gap between these two types of firearms that gives the G42 this very unique role.

There are some popular misconceptions regarding these size comparisons and the specific role the G42 excels in. The purpose of this critique is to address these misconceptions as to their validity and significance.

1.) The G42 is too big for a .380 ACP

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Size/Metrics:

G42 LCP LCP 2

Weight w/ no mag (Oz) 12.4 8.8 9.5
Weight w/ empty mag (Oz) 13.9 9.9 10.7
Weight w/ full mag (Oz) 15.9 12.0 12.8
Height (mag to slide) 3.98 3.6 3.6
Length (Inches) 5.96 5.19 5.15
Width of grip (Inches) 0.88 0.76 0.9
Width of slide (Inches) 0.83 0.76 0.82
Width at controls (Inches) 0.99 0.837 0.86

Loaded Weight (Oz)

Hellcat - 23.1
P365 - 23.0
PM9 - 20.0
Glock 42 - 15.9
LCP Max - 14.75
Beretta Pico - 13.8
LCP 2 - 12.8
LCP 1 - 12.0
P3AT - 11.0
P32 - 9.0


The G42 is longer than the LCP 2 by .81 of an inch. It has a heavier more robust slide and barrel geometry than smaller pocket guns. Do note that the slide width is virtually the same for both guns at .83/.82 respectively. The G42 barrel is 3.25 inches long compared to the majority of pocket pistols of 2.5 inches with a notable increase in muzzle velocity using defensive .380 ammunition. This increase in ballistic performance over smaller .380 pistols equates to more consistent expansion and penetration through denim and ballistic gelatin. These two factors have plagued several .380 JHP loadings. They may fail to expand acting like FMJ or only partially expand through the denim material. The G42 improves upon this problem.

Ballistically, the G42 is capable of bridging the gap between factory .380 and standard pressure 9mm with the Underwood 90 grain XTP +P. This loading produces 1,175 fps at the muzzle and the G42 is unique in that it can feed these rounds like a champ without stressing the gun unlike any smaller micro .380 sized pistol. I wouldn’t want to shoot this through an LCP but I’ve fired well over 200 rounds of it through my G42 with no issues and only slightly more felt recoil over factory .380 ACP. *

* My Beretta Pico while smaller and thinner than the G42, the stainless steel slide/barrel components are very robust and heavier than typical micro .380 guns more so than the LCP. Factory rated for occasional .380 “+P” ammunition use as stated in the manual and in my testing w/ UW 90 grain +P XTP, feed and function flawlessly. Considerably more “snappy” compared to the G42 which can easily handle a steady diet of Underwood +P ammunition. *

The dual captive recoil spring assembly of the G42 is much more capable of higher round counts compared to any micro .380 ACP. In conjunction with the heavier slide, the G42 experiences significantly less muzzle flip. The recoil is almost non-existent using factory .380 ammunition. I can shoot this model ridiculously fast and accurately and can place hits with it much more reliably at longer than typical self defense distance compared to the LCP 2. I’ve placed two holes touching at 7 yards with this gun and can achieve .25 splits. That’s not happening on any .380 micro that I’ve used or tested over a wide range of different models over the years.

The G42 is taller. Less than a half inch more overall height than the LCP 2. But the G42 is also the thinner gun in the frame and this is even more readily apparent compared to the LCP Max. The G42 slide despite being heavier is the same width. Overall, the G42 is the flatter gun compared to the LCP 2. The longer gripping surface also leads to superior shooting and handling characteristics compared to typical micro .380 guns. This touches upon the unique role of the G42 and perhaps it’s biggest advantage.

The G42 handles like a real gun. It doesn’t feel like a toy in your hand. Weapon manipulations with it are much easier in a stressful environment than smaller pocket guns when changing mags, operating the slide release, slingshotting the slide or clearing a malfunction. Imagine doing that with bloody hands on a Beretta Pico, Kahr CW380 or Ruger LCP 1/2.

The G42 is the smallest and lightest .380 that will still shoot and operate similarly to a service sized subcompact while maintaining Glocks well established reliability and durability over many thousands of rounds. An advantage over more compact .380 pistols with smaller and more fragile internal/external parts, trigger springs, recoil springs, chamber thickness, etc.

That means you can train to a very high level of proficiency with the G42 that wouldn’t typically be possible with the LCP models without requiring repairs and trips back to the factory. The ability to put 500-1000 rds through a G42 in an afternoon of shooting with a weapon this small and light is remarkable for a pocket gun weighing 12.4 oz empty.

The G42 can handle this level of shooting in a boringly reliable and comfortable way. This wouldn’t be recommended with an LCP or similar model. These smaller guns will not take that level of regular abuse, are typically much less pleasant to shoot and they experience malfunctions at a higher rate on average. *

* What about the Ruger LCP Max as a pocket gun?


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* The LCP Max while being much lighter than the P365 / Hellcat is still unfortunately too wide in the frame to serve as a true pocket gun as it has roughly the same footprint as the Micro 9mm guns in H/L/W which means the draw will be as difficult when fully gripping the gun from inside the pocket compared to the G42 unless you’re wearing looser fitting/cargo pants with larger than average pocket size.*

2.) The G42 is too big for a pocket gun

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This is perhaps the biggest misconception of the Glock 42. As pictured is the G42 in a Desantis pocket holster in the off hand pocket of straight legged Levi flex 514 jeans. I don’t like the look of baggy or loose pants but I also don’t wear skinny jeans either. You can certainly tell something is in my pocket but when either standing or moving it doesn’t scream GUN! Instead, it looks like a fat wallet or larger model iPhone and maybe some car keys.*

* Some individuals with thinner body frames and legs may have more difficulty in concealing the G42, possibly requiring a smaller micro .380 LCP style alternative for the pocket. *

The G42 is the largest and easiest to shoot polymer framed gun that can still qualify as a lightweight dedicated pocket or ankle pistol that can easily be carried in the majority of straight leg jeans, slacks or shorts with a gun belt. I find that as long as the gun conceals, can easily be drawn from a pocket at a reasonable weight, then there is no practical need to go smaller as that just serves to handicap shooting-handling under stress. The G42 grip being slightly longer is also much easier to consistently draw with under pressure as you get a better firing hand grip on the gun than you would with any micro .380 weapon.

The slightly larger size in height and length also enables the G42 to anchor to the pocket more securely and not shift or rotate as much with the holster in changing position in typical pockets like smaller micro .380 pistols can. This also aids in producing a more consistent and repeatable draw stroke. Something that is rarely illustrated by reviewers.

The only time I feel the need to carry a smaller gun is when I’m in gym shorts with only a draw string as the G42 while still being lightweight at 15.9 oz loaded, the LCP II is about 2.5 - 3 oz lighter. Even better still would be my Kel-Tec P32 which only weighs in at 9.0 oz loaded. Weight savings becomes critical when wearing gym shorts on a hot summer day.

3.) The G42 is the same size as the P365/Hellcat

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Size/ Metrics


MetricsSig P365Springfield Armory Hellcat
Weight No Mag(Oz)16.516.1
Weight Empty Mag(Oz)18.618.2/18.6
Weight With A Full Mag(Oz)22.923.0/24.2
Height(top of Slide to bottom of Magazine Baseplate)(Inches)4.23/4.654.03/4.52
Length (Inches)5.806.03
Width of Grip(Inches)1.021.02
Width of Slide(Inches)0.900.87
Width Across Controls(Inches)1.011.07

G42 Size Comparison

G42 Hellcat

Weight w/ no mag (Oz) 12.4 16.1
Weight w/ empty mag (Oz) 13.9 18.2
Weight w/ full mag (Oz) 15.9 23.0
Height (mag to slide) 3.98 4.03
Length (Inches) 5.96 6.03
Width of grip (Inches) 0.88 1.02
Width of slide (Inches) 0.83 0.87
Width at controls (Inches) 0.99 1.07


I find this misconception to be the most common. The G42 is roughly the same length as the Micro 9mm and about a quarter inch shorter in height. That is where the comparison in size and weight between the two come to a full stop.

The Hellcat/P365 are significantly wider in the grip frame at 3.6 mm and have slightly wider but much heavier slides/barrels 6 - 7 oz that are designed to handle 9mm +P pressures. This precludes them as being dedicated pocket guns unless you’re wearing loose fit pants, cargo shorts, etc.

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There is no comparison in how the two carry in the pocket or on an ankle where weight is critical. A dedicated pocket pistol should weigh under 15-17 oz loaded. The Micro 9 pistols simply cannot meet this requirement.

The Hellcat/P365 increase in size over the G42 is just enough that getting a full firing grip on the gun within the pocket while being easy to draw from the pocket opening is decidedly more difficult in straight legged or tapered jeans and slacks. *
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The Kahr PM9 is the only available 9mm Micro that dimensionally can fit and draw well from a jeans/slacks pocket. The PM9 almost makes the grade as a pocket gun as it’s very close to the overall size in height/width as the G42 but the 4.1 oz heavier weight precludes it from being a true pocket gun at 20.1 oz loaded. *

The Micro 9mm best intended role is a minimalist style belt gun that is lighter, more comfortable and easier to conceal than double stack guns such as the G26/G19.

4.) The .380 ACP isn’t an effective self defense caliber

Another misconception regarding terminal effectiveness. First, the .380 ACP using defensive JHP is admittedly very ammo selective unlike duty gun calibers. However, a narrow range of expanding .380 bullet designs that will meet or exceed the FBI minimum are readily available for purchase.

- Hornady 90 grain XTP (various loadings)

13-14 inches through denim and ballistic gelatin media with a .45 to .50 final expanded diameter.

- Federal Hydra-Shock Deep 99 grain JHP

12-13 inches through denim and ballistic gelatin media with a .50 to .55 final expanded diameter.

- Buffalo Bore 100 grain standard pressure or “+P” Hardcast (G42 recommended only)

Flat point with a sharp shoulder that penetrates 30 + inches with virtually no deformation even through bone. I’m confident with this as a general use woods load at close range.

- Underwood 90 grain XTP “+P” (G42 recommended only)

As previously mentioned, this loading will produce 1,175 fps at the muzzle. Bridges the gap between factory .380 JHP and standard pressure 115 grain 9mm JHP ammunition. Penetrates 12 inches through denim and ballistic gelatin media with a .52 expanded final diameter.

5.) Conclusion: What Is the Role of the Glock 42?

The G42 serves a unique purpose in bridging the gap of weight, terminal ballistics, shoot-ability and size between the micro .380 sized pocket pistol and the micro 9mm while remaining easy to pocket carry in most attire. The G42 is truly a unique firearm because it excels in this role better than any other micro .380/9mm handgun can. Likened to be the .380 ACP equivalent to the Airweight J-Frame revolver. I believe this is a fitting description. The G42 performs like a much larger Glock in handling, long term durability and reliability. Anything larger or heavier starts to enter the realm of the sub-compact belt gun. Anything smaller or lighter becomes a handicap when shooting under pressure becomes a reality and you have to make fast and accurate hits from the draw.

The Glock 42 in my opinion is the best overall .380 ACP caliber handgun for the pocket, ankle or backup gun role. This critique isn’t meant to change anyones mind. My goal is to illustrate some of the many factors that enter into choosing a pocket sized gun and how weighing all those possible variables led me to choose the Glock Model 42 as the ideal .380 caliber pocket gun.
 
I like my G42 but there are so many better choices now which is a good thing.
 
Now, in the midst of one of my too frequent back problems, my carry gun is a Colt Mustang XSP I bought in 2014. A nice locked breech .380.
When (God willing) my back improves I will return to my G26 or Hellcat. Probably the G26.

(The Hellcat is one of those guns I want to like, try to like, but just can’t.)
I owned a G42 once...may try one again soon.
 
Happy Friday and Seasons Greetings!

Thank You and Bravo for such a well done narrative on the G42. You points are clear and well made.

I was fortunate to arrange an opportunity to try both the G42 and G43 in a side by side comparison. Shooting both pistols through several different courses of fire showed a significant difference in the ability to shoot the G42 faster with less shooter effort involved.

I found both to be similar in accuracy. Both are good choices. The G42 has advantages for pocket carry. Both have their place depending on the user's needs. Given the proven Glock design with consistent quality and performance there is a high confidence using these products compared to other MFR products. Glocks have provided me exceptional performance for recreational and serious applications through several decades of service. So when the single stack 9mm pistols were available it was time to investigate and consider them. The compact lighter weight package has greater appeal as they are easier to conceal in a wide range of attire options while providing a very capable pistol providing support during a critical event.

Enjoy the Holiday Season to the fullest. Be well, cheers!
 
Good writeup.
I am a Glock fanboy. I now own a 19, 43X, and 44. I previously owned the 42,43, and 26.

I regularly carried the 42 OWB. I had many, many defensive training sessions with it and the 43. I preferred the 42 to the 43 every time. The 43 was too jumpy for me at training sessions. It takes extra time to re-acquire the target. The 42-not so much.

Fast forward. The 43X was my go-to gun for training and OWB carry. I put the LCP through its paces. And after a few early hiccups (like my old 42)- it is 100% reliable. I believe I mentioned: I shot a box of fifty-one handed with limp wrist and limp arm. No problems. Today I shot another 50 strictly right and handed, I limp wristed in left but not intentionally. No problems again in 50 rounds. Requiring sight picture is more difficult that the 42.

I intend to do my next couple of training classes in the new year with the Max. For now it is my sole carry gun. If 12+1 rounds is not good enough maybe more training is in order.

I do intend to keep an eye out for another 42 (used) in the future. Its not a pocket gun but it is a winner. 6+1 is not a showstopper for me. An extra mag is good insurance.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
I don’t find .380 to be useful, given modern 9mm options. The 43 is a better option, imho. I’m not sure as many 42’s would have been sold had the 43 already been available.
Good luck whatever you choose.
Those modern 9mm options weigh between 20 - 23 oz loaded. For a belt gun, I totally get the micro 9mm. For a pocket or ankle gun, this is where the G42 really shines.
 
Can you elaborate on that? Specifically better choices for which type of role?
Off the top of my head
LCP Max
LCP Security 380 15 round
P365-380
P365
G43
P238
Kahr P380
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
The 380 was useful when the smallest options were Walther PPK/s's. My 365 is smaller, lighter, works better with my gorilla hands.
This is smaller, lighter than my PPK/s and holds better than 2X the ammo.
I don't pocket carry.

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Since you don’t pocket carry, the P365 XL is clearly the better option for you. That said, the G42 is certainly more versatile in how it can be carried, particularly in the BUG role on an ankle or weak hand side pocket.
 
Glad it works for you. Enjoy.

The most I can do in a pocket with my dress pants is my Bodyguard .380

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A G42 would need to go IWB for me. Once I'm carrying IWB, I might as well carry the P365 or larger.
 
Discussion starter · #16 · (Edited)
Off the top of my head
LCP Max
LCP Security 380 15 round
P365-380
P365
G43
P238
Kahr P380
LCP Max is interesting. While it has a much wider frame than the G42, it’s roughly the same height and obviously has more capacity. But the same drawbacks of the LCP 1/2 still apply albeit slightly mitigated. That is less reliability, considerably more muzzle flip and a less rugged design that doesn’t lend itself well to high round counts.

Unlike the LCP 1/2 the early release Max has the potential issue with mags that eject easily inside the pocket or when shooting with a firm grip and a slide that doesn’t always stay locked back on the last round. I believe Ruger has addressed these issues regarding later releases.

LCP Security 380 is too niche. A home defense gun for women or the elderly. Far too big and heavy to serve as a pocket gun.

P365-380 this model has slightly less recoil than the G42, but you still run into the same problem as the P365-9mm. Too much loaded weight for a dedicated pocket gun. A great belt gun option for those not wanting to deal with 9mm recoil from a micro 9mm size footprint.

P365-9mm. Great choice for a minimalist 9mm micro belt gun. Slightly too big and definitely too heavy to serve the pocket gun role well, which is the purpose of my original post.

G43 close to the same weight and size as the P365 9mm and has even more recoil. Single stack when the P365/Hellcat are 10/11 +1 in roughly the same form factor. Unless you’re absolutely married to Glock, there are arguably better 9mm micro options.

P238 is a stellar gun. A little on the heavy side as a dedicated pocket pistol. Also, a manual safety is generally not very ideal on a pocket gun.

Kahr P380 has a host of potential issues. 200 round break in period. Very stiff slide manipulation. Slingshotting the slide isn’t recommended. Loose rounds get stripped out of the spare magazine easily because of the steep feeding angle of the follower. You’ll end up with an empty spare mag and a bunch of loose rounds inside the pocket. The tolerances and angle of the offset feed ramp make it picky in regards to ammo selection, especially truncated flat point FMJ such as WWB which frequently jam. Slightly less recoil than the LCP series with its dual captive recoil spring, but quite a bit more recoil than the G42.

I’ve owned at one point in time or another almost every model of .380 ACP micro gun. I had to go through several to find what works well for me. The ones I decided to keep - G42, Beretta Pico and the Kel-Tec P3AT. The Pico and P3AT stay in the safe unless I’m working out/ wearing gym shorts. The G42 is just right.
 
Discussion starter · #17 ·
Agreed. I liken the g42 to a j-frame 642.


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I hear that. The only time my G42 isn’t in my pocket is when I’m carrying my S&W M&P 340 .357 MAG instead. I consider the G42 to be the perfect companion to the J-Frame revolver.
 
LCP Max is interesting. While it has a slightly thicker frame than the G42, it’s roughly the same height and obviously has more capacity. But the same problems of the LCP 1/2 are still in place albeit slightly mitigated. That is less reliability, considerably more muzzle flip and a less rugged design that doesn’t lend itself well to high round counts. Mags that eject easily inside the pocket and a slide that doesn’t always stay locked back on the last round. At least it can still be used in the pocket carry role however but the magazine release needs an update from the factory. Something more flush to the frame.

LCP Security 380 is too niche. A home defense gun for women or the elderly. Far too big and heavy to serve as a pocket gun.

P365-380 this model has very little recoil like the G42, but you still run into the same problem as the P365-9mm in too much loaded weight for a dedicated pocket gun. A great belt gun option for those not wanting to deal with 9mm recoil from a micro 9mm size footprint.

P365-9mm. Great choice for a minimalist 9mm micro belt gun. Slightly too big and definitely too heavy to serve the pocket gun role well, which is the purpose of my original post.

G43 close to the same weight and size as the P365 9mm and has even more recoil. Single stack when the P365/Hellcat are 10/11 +1 in roughly the same form factor. Unless you’re absolutely dedicated to Glock, there are arguably better 9mm micro options.

P238 is a stellar gun. A little on the heavy side as a dedicated pocket pistol. Also, a manual safety is generally not very ideal on a pocket gun.

Kahr P380 has a host of potential issues. 200 round break in period. Very stiff slide. Slingshotting the slide isn’t recommended. Loose rounds get stripped out of the spare magazine easily because of the steep feeding angle of the follower. You’ll end up with an empty spare mag and a bunch of loose rounds inside the pocket. The tolerances and angle of the feed ramp make it picky in regards to ammo selection, especially truncated flat point FMJ such as WWB which frequently jam. Slightly less recoil than the LCP series with its dual captive recoil spring, but quite a bit more recoil than the G42.

I’ve owned at one point in time or another almost every model of .380 ACP micro gun. I had to go through several to find what works well for me. The ones I decided to keep - G42, Beretta Pico and the Kel-Tec P3AT. The Pico and P3AT stay in the safe unless I’m working out/ running/ wearing gym shorts. The G42 is just right.
You can pick apart just about any pistol one way or another but all of the pistols I posted are happily carried by many.

I have easily carried my P365 in an Alabama holster in the top pocket of cargo pants/shorts for the past 3 years.
 
Since you don’t pocket carry, the P365 XL is clearly the better option for you. That said, the G42 is certainly more versatile in how it can be carried, particularly in the BUG role on an ankle or weak hand side pocket.
Actually that is the X. I can and do carry my XL sans optic on my ankle or coat pocket. I have never liked anything in my pockets.
 
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