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I'm just learning the difference! And no wonder sometimes I'll pull out a pistol and be off as I was always using the Combat Hold to align sights on my sight picture/target.

That being said - does anyone know the factory 'hold' of the following handguns?

I'm assuming all factory Glocks are Center Hold
Glock 19 gen 3
Glock 17 Gen 3
Glock 34 Gen 3

Sig Sauer p226 Extreme (Combat hold?)
Beretta FP92 Inox
Smith Wesson M&P Shield
Springfield XD Sub Compact 3"
H&K P2000 v3
CZ 75D PCR
 
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I've never seen anything official from Glock either way. The Armorer's Manual shows how to correct for different elevations using front sight height changes is about it.

In my experience, both Sig and HK use shoot the dot. Coming from HKs to Glocks, I like shoot the dot, so I pick Glock front sights so I can use the same hold; typically this is a 0.180" front. Same for Sigs, just put dot on target and press. I switched to dots on 2020 and kept everything the same.

Don't know about Beretta, S&W, etc. but would assume it depends on you, your ammo and the specific gun.
 
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That's a great question and I've never been able to find any documentation or legitimate information on what a new Glock, out of the box is set for.

I just set up my Glock 19 using my range bag as a rest and tried the best I could to tell what the correct or best hold position I could tell. I think mine is pretty close to center hold at about 7 yards and a little bit lower at 15 yards. That seems to work pretty well. My sights on my Glock 19 are not the basic factory sights but are Ameriglo sights that were installed at the factory before I bought it.

My Glock 44 has adjustable sights on it, and I tend to think I have it adjusted also for the same as the Glock 19.
 
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Shoot it. If the group is where you are aiming, you're all set. No matter what the factory tells you the sights are set for, you have to shoot each individual gun before you carry to make sure where it's really zeroed. The last time I shot an Army-issued M9, the point of impact was at about a foot high and right of the aiming point at 50 yards - I'll bet that's not where Beretta said it was zeroed.
 
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Choose what you prefer, shoot the gun. If it does not hit where you want it to, adjust or change the sights.

I don't concern myself with whatever ammo or sight picture the manufacturer used.
 
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MarkCO said:
Choose what you prefer, shoot the gun. If it does not hit where you want it to, adjust or change the sights.

I don't concern myself with whatever ammo or sight picture the manufacturer used.
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It would still be nice to have some idea what the manufacturer says the sight picture should look like. Most Glocks do not have adjustable sights.
 
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mavs said:
It would still be nice to have some idea what the manufacturer says the sight picture should look like. Most Glocks do not have adjustable sights.
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Adjust the gun to the shooter, not the shooter to the gun. A basic fundamental.
 
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9mmFireBall said:
I'm just learning the difference! And no wonder sometimes I'll pull out a pistol and be off as I was always using the Combat Hold to align sights on my sight picture/target.

That being said - does anyone know the factory 'hold' of the following handguns?

I'm assuming all factory Glocks are Center Hold
Glock 19 gen 3
Glock 17 Gen 3
Glock 34 Gen 3

Sig Sauer p226 Extreme (Combat hold?)
Beretta FP92 Inox
Smith Wesson M&P Shield
Springfield XD Sub Compact 3"
H&K P2000 v3
CZ 75D PCR
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According to the article below, Glocks and Sigs are factory set to be combat hold. I have no idea if he's right or not. The article has pictures of each type of hold for anyone who doesn't already know what they are.

www.usacarry.com

Sight Picture Holds and Concealed Carry Factors

And you should know which Sight Picture Hold works for you and your gun's iron sights. Here are the four basic types of Sight Picture Holds.
www.usacarry.com www.usacarry.com
 
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9mmFireBall said:
I'm just learning the difference! And no wonder sometimes I'll pull out a pistol and be off as I was always using the Combat Hold to align sights on my sight picture/target.

That being said - does anyone know the factory 'hold' of the following handguns?

I'm assuming all factory Glocks are Center Hold
Glock 19 gen 3
Glock 17 Gen 3
Glock 34 Gen 3

Sig Sauer p226 Extreme (Combat hold?)
Beretta FP92 Inox
Smith Wesson M&P Shield
Springfield XD Sub Compact 3"
H&K P2000 v3
CZ 75D PCR
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Don't you ever shoot them?
 
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In my experience all my Glocks shot point of aim, point of impact
2 yrs ago, I bought a CZ P10c which was a great pistol, but it shot high...I called CZ...CS said it was factory zeroed for a target hold, not poa-poi
 
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Lt. Donn said:
In my experience all my Glocks shot point of aim, point of impact
2 yrs ago, I bought a CZ P10c which was a great pistol, but it shot high...I called CZ...CS said it was factory zeroed for a target hold, not poa-poi
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My Glocks always shot POA/POI, untill the most recent ones I have bought in the last 2 years, which have all shot dead center and 6 inches high at 25 yards. It has been 3 or 4 guns, Gen 4 and 5, 9mm and .45, and they are consistent in where they hit, so it is obviously something Glock has done on purpose.
 
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I was always told terms like 'dead on' (gun shoots to poa)
'Dead over' (gun shoots under poa)
'6 o Clock' (or target hold maybe?....gun shoots over poa specifically for bullseye type shooting)
'Sub 6' (also BE oriented, more white paper under bull helps refine sight picture)
 
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the way I do mine is by shooting them ... after some rounds I know where my grouping is and adjust to shoot that piece accordingly.. I don't worry about point of aim until after the first 500 shots .... after that I can figure the gun aiming point... but that is my way of doing things.. I don't follow general rules as they sometimes don't seem to apply for individuals.
 
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Every GLOCK I have, that I’ve shot, came with the combat hold.

Same with Sigs.
 
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Pluto57 said:
According to the article below, Glocks and Sigs are factory set to be combat hold. I have no idea if he's right or not. The article has pictures of each type of hold for anyone who doesn't already know what they are.

www.usacarry.com

Sight Picture Holds and Concealed Carry Factors

And you should know which Sight Picture Hold works for you and your gun's iron sights. Here are the four basic types of Sight Picture Holds.
www.usacarry.com www.usacarry.com
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I would have bet this is the case. Just my opinion, but combat hold makes the most sense, to me. It’s the only one where A) you know exactly where point of impact should be and B) you aren’t covering the point of impact with the sights (you can see the point of impact). All the other holds have some sort of guess work baked in, and I don’t like that, personally.

Obviously point of impact is dependent on distance. I wonder, is there a universally recognized distance at which combat hold should work for pistols? Any closer and it will hit low, any further and it will hit high (albeit not much if you’re within 15 yards or so).
 
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