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Safe action refers to the firing pin lock system in which the firearm manufacturer Glock created to be utilized in majority of the pistols. Glock is a very safe type of gun and it simply cannot fire unless its trigger is fully squeezed, yet there are comments regarding Glock and its lack of safety.

As you can observe, there are various discussions that you can read right over the internet about Glock safety. If you are very curious, you probably have read different articles. There are also lots of topics most of the gun owners discuss. But there is one thing most gun owners share and that is their belief that Glock is unsafe.

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Glock Safe Action Pistols

The Glock pistols are primarily equipped with fully-automatic safety system. This is consists of three different passive levels of independently operating safeties.

· Internal-only mechanical safeties. This is sequentially disengaged when the trigger is mainly pulled and then automatically reengages when trigger is released. As trigger is then pulled, three different inline safety mechanisms are usually disengaged. The striker is moved backward right within the pistol. This is responsible for increasing the tension on firing pin spring.

· The second, the striker firing mechanism of the gun is locked in place by the extension bar that is linked to the trigger. Striker could not move unless the trigger is depressed. This drop safety is considered as the last safety to be disengaged if the trigger is pressed and completely automatic. This mainly prevents premature separation of trigger bar and action cycles, trigger bar moves in an upward direction.

· The third one is the firing pin block, which is actuated by the same extension bar that prevents the pin coming to contact with primer unless the trigger is pressed in order to clear the block. Even though this is generally not considered as the safety feature, its resting state has the striker in ‘half-cooked’ state. Therefore, upon pressing the trigger, it will then fully cook the weapon right before the striker. There would be no concern for decocking because of the fact that the three safeties are engaged when the trigger is in forward position.

But there are still lots of gun owners who use external safety. This is mainly because of the features and benefits that it has. With external safety, it will help in preventing accidental discharge of a certain weapon. But if you do not have your own muscle memory built up that you release safety when ready to fire, chances are you will forget to disengage safety in heat of the moment if you ever have to utilize a certain pistol for personal defense. If you buy a gun that does not have external safety or even safety of trigger such as Glock, always remember the rule of the thumb: never put your finger on trigger right until you are ready to fire.

There are lots of discussions as to whether or not Glock is safe and need an external safety. The good thing is that, there is no certain manual mechanical safety the Glock users must remember to utilize, nor complicating features like decockers or double to single action transitions right in the operation. Since Glock has few parts and customizable accessory rails, this is absolutely suited to almost all operators.
 
I think they should offer it both ways,esp for the ladies that carry in purses that are not specifically for a handgun, or want to carry in a holster.Nearly everyone is used to a 1911.
The Glock pistols 5# trigger is IMO too light to carry out of any holster.(how many cops have shot themselves just reholstering one,quite a few.)
 
Glock pistols are basically as safe as a revolver. Neither has a manual safety. Both have some type of hammer, striker, or firing-pin block. The only thing different with the Glock is that there could be a cartridge in the chamber if the magazine is removed. This is only a problem if an unsafe person handles the gun.


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Great article.

The best safety is the one between your ears.

As a pistol instructor, I am asked all the time "what gun should I get?"

I like to say: Guns are like cars: There is no one size fits all. Try few out for size, see what fits your style and budget.

I've seen what happens when an 18 year old kids gets a 1969 Shelby GT500 with 335HP for a birthday present. My uncle spent years restoring it and cruising around Phoenix in it. As he got older, he decided to sell to a neighbor, for the guys son's 18th birthday present.

The kid never even made to the end of the street. What a great car, doggone shame. Just glad no one was killed. Car the car, was totaled!

I would also never recommend a certain guns to brand new shooters. I like the grip safeties for newbies. I also like revolvers and the 12# trigger pull for the new guys.

Like everything else, guns have a learning curve.

When we qualified new shooters with the 38's in the USAF, very few accidental discharges from first time shooters.

When we moved to the M9, 2 or 3 times the amount of AD's from first time shooters. (even more from idiots who were experienced, but don't listen.)

Glock's rule the LE world based of price, reliability, variety and accessories. Few guns come close.

Just because the police drive a Ford Explore with a police pursuit package, it doesn't mean everyone should.
 
One of the beautiful simplicities of the Glock as a system is that it doesn't require fine motor skills to manipulate a safety at the moment of truth. There's nothing to get between the shooter and the target, no safety to mishandle or forget. Front sight, trigger, press. All other safety components of the system become seamless and do not interfere with the ability of the shooter to do his or her job. It's one of the chief reasons that I carry a Glock, secondary to reliability.
 
I don't mind them not having an external safety. If I could change one thing about my Glock 43, I would make it so that I don't have to pull the trigger in order to field strip it.
 
I think they should offer it both ways,esp for the ladies that carry in purses that are not specifically for a handgun, or want to carry in a holster.Nearly everyone is used to a 1911.
The Glock pistols 5# trigger is IMO too light to carry out of any holster.(how many cops have shot themselves just reholstering one,quite a few.)
That's mostly because they still had their boogerhook on the bangswitch as they were re-holstering, instead of straight and out of the trigger guard like they were taught.
 
IMO...
-- Buy a gun that has the safety that you like (or without one).
-- Glock/ Auto's of whatever brand, are not as safe a rolvers. I shoot a lot (G17, MP Shield 9), and I have had every type of malfunction you can think of. I take ~200rnds to the range and I usually have one malfunction.
Bottom line: Dont put you finger on the trigger, unless you plan to shoot...
 
I think they should offer it both ways,esp for the ladies that carry in purses that are not specifically for a handgun, or want to carry in a holster.Nearly everyone is used to a 1911.
The Glock pistols 5# trigger is IMO too light to carry out of any holster.(how many cops have shot themselves just reholstering one,quite a few.)
Then I posit you should probably just buy a different gun.

They make M&P's with thumb safeties in all sizes, from the shield up to the 5 inch barreled pro, for example.

Also it bears repeating that cops, like soldiers, are not always gun people, and more than a handful carry the gun simply because they are required to.

This can raise the rate of discharges and other behavior that a lot of us would consider to be negligent.
 
I am new to Glocks, I came from another auto that has a fairly clunky safety that I have never used in 15 years of having the pistol. I consider the safety to be not having a round in the chamber. I don't trust mechanisms that much, and I only consider the gun "safe" with the mag out and check the chamber for a load. I teach everyone who handles the weapon to immediately unload it if handed to them, mag out, check chamber.

The glock makes sense to me, that's why I bought it. I don't have an opinion about the built in safety, but if it helps with a dropped gun and does not have a reputation for increasing jams or misfires, then I'm fine with it.
 
Long time forum reader, first time posting.

Although I'm a relatively new owner of firearms, I've loved the way Glocks have handled from day one. As for safety, there's an aftermarket thumb safety - the Cominolli Safety Kit, that you or a gunsmith can install on your gun. It requires a small fraction of the frame to be milled out, but at the end of the day you have a thumb safety on your Glock, for people who want it. I've shot one with it installed, and I barely notice the difference. Probably ruins the resale value, but hey, it's your firearm - you decide what to do with it.

When I think about Glock safety though, my mind always goes to that one youtube video wherein a cop is talking about firearm safety to a class of high schoolers. Right after he states that he's the only one qualified to handle the firearm he manages to shoot himself in the leg. Ironic, but teachable moment... Here's the link for anyone interested.
 
I bought my first pistol 4.5 years ago and I was seriously considering a competitor to Glock that had an external safety. I figured I wanted a gun that I could pull the trigger and it wouldn't fire. I took a safety class before my purchase and came to the realization that I didn't want a gun that allowed me to pull the trigger and it wouldn't fire. I SHOULD NOT BE PULLING THE TRIGGER! I bought a 17.

Don't know if I've expressed that well but I hope you'll be able to understand my thought process.
 
One of the biggest complaints about the Smith & Wesson Shield, was the fact that it had a manual safety. Lately, I've been looking for a .45 Shield. So far, the only Shields I'm seeing, are the no external safety models. A few years ago, LAPD approved the Smith & Wesson Body Guard .380 as a BUG. Before an officer would be allowed to carry it, the department amorer had to disable the laser and the external safety. There will always be two schools of thought, regarding the safety vs. no safety issue.
 
One of my reasons for choosing a Glock was simplicity, my wife and simply don't handle it enough to be sure there won't be a lack of fire caused by not taking a safety off. It has happened with my 12ga while hunting with results that were not devastating as might be if it happened in self defense! As a matter of fact I just bought another one, :)
 
I am new to Glock but really like the weapon design. I have experience with Smith, Springfield, Beretta, Browning, Ruger, Sig. I view safety as a function of the gun operator. Most handguns are configured differently and owner experience and training are key to a safe weapon. Trigger finger out of the well until ready to shoot and weapon point location are the best safety mechanisms.
 
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