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I’ve seen photos of the 43x with a rail that is available or going to be available in Europe. I was wondering if anyone knows an aftermarket company that has one for sale in the US? I was thinking if I could find one with decent stippling and a rail I might give it a try. Do we know if Glock will sell them to the public at some point or would it be just speculation? I’m new to Glock so I’m not sure if they release this kind of info or one day they will just announce it’s available. I don’t need a rail but I wouldn’t mind having one either and if I could get it on a frame with good stippling that would even be better. I guess I don’t want to spend $200 on stippling for the stock frame only to find a frame with a rail later end up wasting $200. Would it even be worth my time to contact Glock and ask? I’d appreciate any info anyone has on this matter.


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I doubt they will put a rail on a 43x. It is a single stack, edc, home defense gun, not designed to be a "tactical" gun. Easy to put a laser on. For home defense consider remote switch lights, or alarm systems that turn on lights.
 
I have not, but there is this:
https://www.recovertactical.com/product/gr43-rail-adapter-for-the-glock-43-43x-and-48/

I bought one with the hopes it would fit my XC1-B, but it did not. It will hold the TLR-7, but you cannot lock it in with one of the keys. You have to cinch it down tight and hope it will not come off. About the only light I know fits, is the Olight PL mini 2.

I'm going to ask them if they will make one that will fit the frame and extend out for the Glock 48. That would fit the XC1-B.
 
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I got tired of waiting on Glock to bring the railed 43X to the U.S. so I gave in and bought a Hellcat instead.
I sold my p365 and ended up with the 43x because my buddy who owns the gun/pawn shop was really low on inventory and they had only got the 43x in a few hours earlier. I was looking for a P365xl, CZ P10s, P10c, S&W 2.0 with the 3.6” barrel, or maybe the FNS 9c. The 43x was a gun not even on my radar as I have never really been a big Glock fan but I’m very satisfied with it. The Hellcat is nice but I wanted a longer grip than the Hellcat or P365. I have no issues with the gun itself and I think the Hellcat is more than capable but I don’t like Springfield as a company and wouldn’t buy their products anymore.


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I don’t get why they wouldn’t bring this to the US market? Personally I’d think the more options available the more possible customers but I guess that’s just me. I’m a big watch collector and Rolex is notorious for doing the same thing. They make very few changes over time but they do offer different variations of models to different markets around the world occasionally. However I I can get a watch in my hands from Hong Kong or Singapore in a day. I don’t know how to go about this with a firearm or firearm parts.


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Latest theory I heard, and it makes sense to me as well and I think it’s proven out historically is, when the sales slow down on the non-rail black 43x , then we will see a 43X with a rail here in the US.
 
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Latest theory I heard, and it makes sense to me as well and I think it’s proven out historically is, when the sales slow down on the non-rail black 43x , then we will see a 43X with a rail here in the US.
Now that actually makes sense. I hadn’t considered that but I can see them keeping it in their pocket until they need to release it. I could see them selling multiple guns to the same buyer that way as well.


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Latest theory I heard, and it makes sense to me as well and I think it’s proven out historically is, when the sales slow down on the non-rail black 43x , then we will see a 43X with a rail here in the US.
Marketing games. They're hoping when it's all done that people will have bought all three, the silver, the black, and black with rail.
 
Latest theory I heard, and it makes sense to me as well and I think it’s proven out historically is, when the sales slow down on the non-rail black 43x , then we will see a 43X with a rail here in the US.
I don't pretend to know what Glock is thinking, but it is possible that the mold they need for this is $50,000 (or if the mold is for many guns, well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars!). It may be as simple as they don't want to invest in and pay for the mold until the G43x shows a slump in demand, and this will be the subsequent refresh to fuel a new wave of interest.

If Glock Austria can make it and sell it (as they are), it is clearly a simple business decision. Business decisions are based upon trying to extract the maximum amount of dollars out of their marketplace.

Therefore Glock thinks they can make more money by NOT offering it to us now in the US (and that there is no guarantee that they will or will not offer it later).
 
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I don't pretend to know what Glock is thinking, but it is possible that the mold they need for this is $50,000 (or if the mold is for many guns, well into the hundreds of thousands of dollars!). It may be as simple as they don't want to invest in and pay for the mold until the G43x shows a slump in demand, and this will be the subsequent refresh to fuel a new wave of interest.

If Glock Austria can make it and sell it (as they are), it is clearly a simple business decision. Business decisions are based upon trying to extract the maximum amount of dollars out of their marketplace.

Therefore Glock thinks they can make more money by NOT offering it to us now in the US (and that there is no guarantee that they will or will not offer it later).
It’s already listed on the EU website so they are already producing it. I wouldn’t think getting a mold for the US factory would be an issue for a large company. So who knows the reason they aren’t offering it to the US market.
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It’s already listed on the EU website so they are already producing it. I wouldn’t think getting a mold for the US factory would be an issue for a large company. So who knows the reason they aren’t offering it to the US market.
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Molds can be a big deal in terms of revenue. Big, profitable companies can easily afford a mold, but those are not the questions they are usually asking.

They are asking, if we pay $250,000 (or more) for molds...

1.) How long until that investment gets paid off?
2.) Can we generate similar revenue without this added cost?
3.) From a profit standpoint, can we continue with what we have for a period of time and be more profitable than if we make this change right now?
4.) Do we even need these molds in the US, or can we just run them only in Austria?

Glock has clearly chosen NOT to sell it here. They can, they just aren't. Marketing has a hand in that. We don't even have Austrian G43Xr's.

Over here, they clearly they feel they can make more money by selling "X guns at P profit" than they can by selling X+Y guns at P-Q profit (Y is added gun sales margin over current state, and Q is added costs over current state by adding molds and reworking assembly protocols).

I am sure Glock is quite thoughtful in how they buy, use, track, and archive molds. And not knowing how many injection molding machines they run, how many gun frames are in each mold, and the number of guns sold impacts the ability for us to do math. If they need to run eight machines for a given frame size and each mold is $150k, they need to drop $1.2M on molds (no spares, just production).

In 2017 (latest public data), Glock, Smyrna made 175,696 guns (94,665 9mm, 73,646 in .380ACP, and 7,385 other handgun calibers below .50). How many additional guns would Glock have to sell to make the math work?

If the cost were amortized across every single Glock made in Smyrna (not just the new G43x with Rail), buying $1.2M in molds would add an average or $6.83 to the cost of every gun sold just to break even over the course of a year.

Profits for S&W (publicly traded so we can see OpEx, Net Sales, Cost of Sales, Taxes, etc.) were about 21.9% of total sales. ($21.90 profit for every $100 sold). If we assume gun sales of twice that ($200 per gun), that yields $43.80 profit per gun. If that math is near correct (pure guesses) Glock would have to sell 27,397 G43Xr US-made guns just to break even (all profits prior to that go to pay for the mold, and until they sell the 27,398th gun, Gaston and the execs are actually losing money compared to cashing in $43.80 per G43 without rails sold!).

If I ran their production, I might even consider selling a G43Xr in Europe for a while, using molds on a few Austrian machines. After the buzz faltered, and sales slipped, I might ship some of those molds across the pond to the US plant in Smyrna, and let them generate a mid-model year refresh by adding the rail to their regionally sold guns. Sure, the US gets the gun later than Austria, but people would still buy. And Glock may be able to avoid paying for additional molds. In Coronavirus terms, they could flatten the curve, pushing demand out over two plants and two years, instead of trying to scale manufacturing for one year just to watch demand fade after six months (and manufacturing capacity far exceed the diminishing demand).


Who knows? We just know that complex discussions between marketing and finance have happened, and the executives feel they will make more profit by not selling the G43Xr in the US right now.
 
I’ve seen photos of the 43x with a rail that is available or going to be available in Europe. I was wondering if anyone knows an aftermarket company that has one for sale in the US? I was thinking if I could find one with decent stippling and a rail I might give it a try. Do we know if Glock will sell them to the public at some point or would it be just speculation? I’m new to Glock so I’m not sure if they release this kind of info or one day they will just announce it’s available. I don’t need a rail but I wouldn’t mind having one either and if I could get it on a frame with good stippling that would even be better. I guess I don’t want to spend $200 on stippling for the stock frame only to find a frame with a rail later end up wasting $200. Would it even be worth my time to contact Glock and ask? I’d appreciate any info anyone has on this matter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
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