I read this post on Reddit, and I share it here for people to decide for themselves if this is an issue. Personally I don’t have a dog in this fight, sold my P10C time ago because... never mind who cares.
So here it is, a detailed explanation supported by videos on the efficacy of the firing pin safety in this series. Sorry, long read, I have to break it down in two posts because otherwise it exceeds the maximum length allowed.
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I had a few people ask me to post some findings of testing I had done on the safety system on the P-10C and this seemed like as good a place as any. Keeping in mind this is a sample of 1 pistol with a few hundred rounds through it, I have seen lots of mentions of this same problem online.
There has been a lot of discussion and concern about the function of the firing pin safety on the CZ P-10 series of pistols. It seems to be a common issue on these pistols that the striker block has marginal engagement on the striker, so I set out to do some testing. After some analysis I’ve come to the conclusion that there appear to be real safety concerns with the design and/or manufacture of this specific feature of the pistol. This ended up a bit wordy, but I found this really interesting and fairly concerning.
Abstract:
The pistol was partially disassembled and observed in motion in order to fully understand the operation of the firing pin safety system. A test was also carried out to determine the level of functionality of the system in case of a failure. Conclusions lead me to believe that the firing pin safety is of (at best) only marginal usefulness and very close to completely non-functional.
Description of safety system function:
On many modern pistols, eg. Glocks, M&P, etc, there are at least three automatic safety systems – the Trigger Safety, the Drop Safety, and the Firing Pin Safety. The Trigger Safety is easily visible on most designs, the one on the P-10 being the smaller “Trigger within a trigger” that is depressed by the shooter’s finger. The Drop Safety is internal, and on most designs is comprised of a shelf that the trigger bar must pass before being allowed to drop. This safety, in conjunction with the trigger safety, effectively prevents the striker from being released if the pistol is dropped. The Firing Pin Safety is a mechanical block that prevents the firing pin/striker from traveling forward far enough to contact the cartridge primer and firing. Should the firing pin/striker become disconnected from the trigger bar interface or break in such a way it would travel forward on spring tension, this is the safety that would stop its movement. On most pistols, this block is contained within the main body of the slide – the design on the P-10 is much different. Contained within the striker housing is a block that is held against the shaft of the striker under spring tension. When engaged, a small nub on the block interferes with a shoulder on the striker to impede its forward movement. When the trigger is pulled rearward, a triangular shape on the trigger bar rotates this block out of the way, clearing the path of the striker. At the end of trigger travel, the trigger bar drops down into the frame and the striker flies forward under spring tension, hitting the primer and setting off the cartridge. The slide travels backwards under force of recoil and trips the disconnector, allowing the trigger bar to raise far enough to catch the tail of the striker as the slide comes back forwards.
As a point of clarification – many have referred to post #17 of this thread at CZForums as an explation of how this safety system works: czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=103705.15. This explanation (purportedly from a CZ representative) appears to be entirely incorrect. At no point does the triangular nub of the trigger bar fall low enough to disengage from the leg of the striker block. The triangular nub is angled on the top for clearance purposes ONLY, it does not positively hold the striker block in place at any point of its travel. The striker block is pushed into its engaged position ONLY by the force of its small spring.
Video explanation of how the safety actually works here - www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo0fQ08n_UI
Test #1 – Slide only:
To determine the effectiveness of the firing pin block, the slide was removed from the pistol and placed in a vise padded with a towel. The striker was pulled back to varying distances and released after verifying the striker block had traveled to its full extent of engagement. At each distance the striker was pulled back, even very small distances, the striker was able to easily overcome the block and simply push it out of the way. Video here - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKIUpTDbn6o
So here it is, a detailed explanation supported by videos on the efficacy of the firing pin safety in this series. Sorry, long read, I have to break it down in two posts because otherwise it exceeds the maximum length allowed.
_______________
I had a few people ask me to post some findings of testing I had done on the safety system on the P-10C and this seemed like as good a place as any. Keeping in mind this is a sample of 1 pistol with a few hundred rounds through it, I have seen lots of mentions of this same problem online.
There has been a lot of discussion and concern about the function of the firing pin safety on the CZ P-10 series of pistols. It seems to be a common issue on these pistols that the striker block has marginal engagement on the striker, so I set out to do some testing. After some analysis I’ve come to the conclusion that there appear to be real safety concerns with the design and/or manufacture of this specific feature of the pistol. This ended up a bit wordy, but I found this really interesting and fairly concerning.
Abstract:
The pistol was partially disassembled and observed in motion in order to fully understand the operation of the firing pin safety system. A test was also carried out to determine the level of functionality of the system in case of a failure. Conclusions lead me to believe that the firing pin safety is of (at best) only marginal usefulness and very close to completely non-functional.
Description of safety system function:
On many modern pistols, eg. Glocks, M&P, etc, there are at least three automatic safety systems – the Trigger Safety, the Drop Safety, and the Firing Pin Safety. The Trigger Safety is easily visible on most designs, the one on the P-10 being the smaller “Trigger within a trigger” that is depressed by the shooter’s finger. The Drop Safety is internal, and on most designs is comprised of a shelf that the trigger bar must pass before being allowed to drop. This safety, in conjunction with the trigger safety, effectively prevents the striker from being released if the pistol is dropped. The Firing Pin Safety is a mechanical block that prevents the firing pin/striker from traveling forward far enough to contact the cartridge primer and firing. Should the firing pin/striker become disconnected from the trigger bar interface or break in such a way it would travel forward on spring tension, this is the safety that would stop its movement. On most pistols, this block is contained within the main body of the slide – the design on the P-10 is much different. Contained within the striker housing is a block that is held against the shaft of the striker under spring tension. When engaged, a small nub on the block interferes with a shoulder on the striker to impede its forward movement. When the trigger is pulled rearward, a triangular shape on the trigger bar rotates this block out of the way, clearing the path of the striker. At the end of trigger travel, the trigger bar drops down into the frame and the striker flies forward under spring tension, hitting the primer and setting off the cartridge. The slide travels backwards under force of recoil and trips the disconnector, allowing the trigger bar to raise far enough to catch the tail of the striker as the slide comes back forwards.
As a point of clarification – many have referred to post #17 of this thread at CZForums as an explation of how this safety system works: czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=103705.15. This explanation (purportedly from a CZ representative) appears to be entirely incorrect. At no point does the triangular nub of the trigger bar fall low enough to disengage from the leg of the striker block. The triangular nub is angled on the top for clearance purposes ONLY, it does not positively hold the striker block in place at any point of its travel. The striker block is pushed into its engaged position ONLY by the force of its small spring.
Video explanation of how the safety actually works here - www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo0fQ08n_UI
Test #1 – Slide only:
To determine the effectiveness of the firing pin block, the slide was removed from the pistol and placed in a vise padded with a towel. The striker was pulled back to varying distances and released after verifying the striker block had traveled to its full extent of engagement. At each distance the striker was pulled back, even very small distances, the striker was able to easily overcome the block and simply push it out of the way. Video here - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKIUpTDbn6o