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Glock leg, as classically described, involves an unintentional trigger pull by the carrier, either drawing or reholstering. The allegations against the P320 is that it can and will go off without the handler/carrier going anywhere near the trigger. There are videos of this happening

Having said that, I have seen a video (that has been widely distributed) of a Glock going off in a holster with the carrier 's hands not going anywhere near the gun. The assumption (unproven) was that some sort of FOD got in the trigger guard when he reholstered.

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How long have we been hearing about Glock leg ?
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Sig says they’ll appeal, of course.

www.nhpr.org

Jury finds Sig Sauer liable for pistol shooting; awards $2.3M in damages

A federal jury decided in favor of a Georgia man after his gun fired while still holstered, causing a serious leg injury.
www.nhpr.org www.nhpr.org

Apologies in advance if I somehow missed this. As far as I know, this is Sig’s first loss regarding the P320.
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A jury found Sig Sauer was negligent for Lang’s injuries due to the design of the weapon, including that it lacked a trigger safety.

The jury pool is right there with the Engoran and Merchan jury.
 
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redrick said:
How long have we been hearing about Glock leg ?
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How many $2.3M checks has Glock cut?*

*Yeah, I know Sig hasn't cut any checks yet and they'll start an appeals process - so maybe they never will if they can show a material legal error - but in over 40 years of Glocks on the market I never heard of Glock losing a negligence case when it came to the design of the pistol. Maybe Sig flew a little too close to the Sun in the pursuit of a nice trigger.
 
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How many $2.3M checks has Glock cut?*

*Yeah, I know Sig hasn't cut any checks yet and they'll start an appeals process - so maybe they never will if they can prove a material legal error - but in over 40 years of Glocks on the market I never heard of Glock losing a negligence case when it came to the design of the pistol. Maybe Sig flew a little too close to the Sun in the pursuit of a nice trigger.
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SIG has probably cut some checks. “The company did settle two cases out of court, both involving members of law enforcement who were injured when their department-issued guns fired, causing leg injuries.”
 
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SIG has probably cut some checks. “The company did settle two cases out of court, both involving members of law enforcement who were injured when their department-issued guns fired, causing leg injuries.”
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Yeah, but it's tough to determine what to make of that. Considering that settlements pretty much automatically come with non-disclosure clauses, there's no way to tell if Sig settled with a lot of money paid or whether they just threw a little nuisance go-away money at the plaintiffs. A jury finding corporate negligence and awarding $2.3M in compensation makes a statement.
 
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This verdict is what can happen when a bunch of dolts who obviously know nothing of firearms, aside from what they've seen on tv or in the movies, is tasked with passing judgment on a firearm issue. I'm thinking Sig should've just made sure they offered him a settlement amount that he couldn't refuse & gotten an N.D.A. from him in order to avoid trial. Too late. Now that there's been a finding of guilt, it opens the door for industry wide design mandates or bans, pushed by any number of anti gun groups, state & federal politicians & oversight agencies.
Hopefully Sig's appeal will be successful & squash any mandates....but that's probably unlikely. This isn't good because it could be used to set precedent(s). Those are extremely difficult to overturn & eradicate from the judicial system.
 
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Now that there's been a finding of guilt, it opens the door for industry wide design mandates or bans, pushed by any number of anti gun groups, state & federal politicians & oversight agencies.
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Nope, not allowed with Firearms. There is, and never has been, no regulatory authority over the design of firearms in the US.
 
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I'm not aware of any other gun that has multiple videos of it going off while holstered. I think there's one video involving a Glock and the consensus seems to be that a shirt tail or draw string got caught in the trigger guard; P320s go off while sitting on OWB retention holsters! Shame on Sig.
 
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Was bound to happen sooner or later. If you keep filing lawsuits, sooner or later you’ll get that magic jury and hit the jackpot.
 
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Glock leg, as classically described, involves an unintentional trigger pull by the carrier, either drawing or reholstering. The allegations against the P320 is that it can and will go off without the handler/carrier going anywhere near the trigger. There are videos of this happening

Having said that, I have seen a video (that has been widely distributed) of a Glock going off in a holster with the carrier 's hands not going anywhere near the gun. The assumption (unproven) was that some sort of FOD got in the trigger guard when he reholstered.
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FOD?
 
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familyman357 said:
Sig says they’ll appeal, of course.

www.nhpr.org

Jury finds Sig Sauer liable for pistol shooting; awards $2.3M in damages

A federal jury decided in favor of a Georgia man after his gun fired while still holstered, causing a serious leg injury.
www.nhpr.org www.nhpr.org

Apologies in advance if I somehow missed this. As far as I know, this is Sig’s first loss regarding the P320.
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Not surprised this eventually happened. Hopefully it will compel Sig to add a trigger safety to the 320. As far as I know, it's the only striker fired duty gun that exists that doesn't have one.


Not saying its unsafe, it isn't. But it's at the margins of safety when handling it. If Sig ever releases a 320 with the trigger safety, I might jump back on.
 
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