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When I got the new G19M with AmeriGlo Sights....was told to switch to Combat Sight Picture.
Unsolicited advice here, but it might be easier to install a lower front than to worry about keeping a different sight picture for your 19m. You’re correct the Gen 5 Ameriglos are set up for combat hold rather than center, but it’s easy to rectify. I just did it on my 19.5 by installing a lower, and as it happens thinner, front post on my Ameriglo Agents. Switching the .140 wide x .200 high front to a .125 wide x .180 high front raised the point of impact from combat to center perfectly.

Sights are very much a matter of personal preference, and often need to be changed from what comes on the gun to achieve that.
 
Are you fairly sure you'd remember all of those steps in a gunfight?

I have 2: 7 yards or less and I don't use sights; at any distance where I use sights I use center hold, because all sights don't look the same and all dots aren't the same, but pretty much every gun has sights that line up the same for a center hold.
^ Pretty much this, except I do tend to use the sights even inside of seven. It’s just a matter of training and what we get used to. For me, the sight picture I use is a constant, center hold in my case. Switching from one to the other to yet another wouldn’t work well for me.
 
I find I don't use sights at all close in because I'm practicing on a silhouette target for SD. If I can draw quickly, get three fast shots in center mass, I'm good. Anything much beyond 7 yards is target shooting IMO, not SD shooting and civilians have an obligation to break contact if possible, not get into a gunfight at ranges where they could have broken contact. Again, just my opinion based on a few years of being a LEO decades ago.
 
Scratching head….maybe I am doing something wrong?

Stock sights on my G22 with 9mm conversion…

7 yards 6 0’clock puts it dead center on a 3” bull 115g

G48 I use a center hold at 7yds with 115g…etc.

I hold where the sight picture puts the impact where I want it go go.

if I used those other two holds I would be high at 7 yds.

Obviously adjust to load and distance accordingly.
That’s because the 9mm uses a different sight height than the .40 for the Glocks. If you tried that 6’oclock hold with your stock G22 barrel, you would be low. This is also why your G48 needs a center hold, it’s a 9mm projectile using the correct sight height.

The good news is that if you decide to put a G31 barrel in your G22 slide (.357 Sig), your 6 o’clock hold will also work well.


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I find I don't use sights at all close in because I'm practicing on a silhouette target for SD. If I can draw quickly, get three fast shots in center mass, I'm good. Anything much beyond 7 yards is target shooting IMO, not SD shooting and civilians have an obligation to break contact if possible, not get into a gunfight at ranges where they could have broken contact. Again, just my opinion based on a few years of being a LEO decades ago.
It’s interesting how different experiences can shape us. I‘m retired LE and former military, so ours have some similarity, but I tend to train from zero to max effective on whichever system I happen to have. If someone is shooting at me from 50 yards away I’m under no obligation to break contact if returning fire is the safer thing to do. So, I occasionally train that far and even farther away with my handguns. I admit it’s not a likely scenario, but it is good training none the less, and still a possibility.

Not saying you’re wrong or anything, just that we train differently.
 
It’s interesting how different experiences can shape us. I‘m retired LE and former military, so ours have some similarity, but I tend to train from zero to max effective on whichever system I happen to have. If someone is shooting at me from 50 yards away I’m under no obligation to break contact if returning fire is the safer thing to do. So, I occasionally train that far and even farther away with my handguns. I admit it’s not a likely scenario, but it is good training none the less, and still a possibility.

Not saying you’re wrong or anything, just that we train differently.
I get that completely. Almost anything I post is just my opinion based on my own life experience. If you're retired LE with a military background, you have more real life experience than I do by far. No military training and only three years in LE when I realized it wasn't my calling. Anyone who shoots at me around here has likely mistaken me for a deer or antelope. I'm not going to shoot back, I'm going to take cover.
 
I find I don't use sights at all close in because I'm practicing on a silhouette target for SD. If I can draw quickly, get three fast shots in center mass, I'm good. Anything much beyond 7 yards is target shooting IMO, not SD shooting and civilians have an obligation to break contact if possible, not get into a gunfight at ranges where they could have broken contact. Again, just my opinion based on a few years of being a LEO decades ago.
I appreciate your perspective on this.

I am pretty new to SD pistol shooting and confess to being a “target shooter” who (naively) thought that if I can punch holes in paper accurately I would somehow miraculously be able to take care of business when the time came.

I like the idea of knowing when to disengage and break contact. Sounds much wiser than trying to fight it out in the street.

thanks again
 
That’s because the 9mm uses a different sight height than the .40 for the Glocks. If you tried that 6’oclock hold with your stock G22 barrel, you would be low. This is also why your G48 needs a center hold, it’s a 9mm projectile using the correct sight height.

The good news is that if you decide to put a G31 barrel in your G22 slide (.357 Sig), your 6 o’clock hold will also work well.


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Thanks

As soon as I read your reply I got hit with a huge “DUH!”

Makes perfect sense.

I picked up another 9mm and may just put the G22 back to .40 cal.

Thanks again.
 
My Glock 19 and my XD9 SC are center hold and my Shield Plus is combat. I am not happy withe Plus sights.Sounds crazy but I like seeing what I'm shooting at.I would lower the front sight but not sure the height needed.I've measured it awhile back and I think it's .160 so do I go .140 not sure.
 
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As soon as I read your reply I got hit with a huge “DUH!”

Makes perfect sense.

I picked up another 9mm and may just put the G22 back to .40 cal.

Thanks again.
No problem. As soon as you drop that G22 barrel back in there, you should be pretty much dead on with a center hold. I’ve found Glock sights across all models to be dead on with a center hold at 25 yards.

The interesting models to me regarding sights are the subcompact models. The G26, G27 and G33 all use the exact sight height. Maybe because the barrels are so short that the ballistics of the different calibers all act relatively the same at the distance the sights are zero’d for.

The other interesting pistols to me are my HK USPs. In the full size models, irrespective of caliber, they all have the same sight heights . Same with the compact models.

My Sigs and Glocks on the other hand, the sight heights are grouped by caliber. 9mm and .357 Sig. share the same sight height and the .40 and .45 also share the same. How HK was able to get around this is a mystery to me [emoji848]. Might be that the dovetails are cut to different depths for the different calibers.


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Personally, I like Center Hold. But, I have found on pistols that are set up with night sights, the Combat Sight picture seems to be the way the sights are set up. I guess that makes sense; it's dark, you see the green glow...put the green glow on the target where you want the bullet to go. and squeeze the trigger.

Generally speaking, my EDC guns are set up for the Combat Sight picture. For range guns with adjustable sights, I set up for the Center Hold.
 
6’oclock has nothing to recommend it as far as ccw or real world. It’s pretty much bullseye comp only since it relies on a consistent known relationship between distance, size of the target, and front sight.
For decades I did target shooting with a centerfold. Then I started shooting moving targets and found my self shooting low at 25 and 50 yards. So I switched to the 6 O'Clock hold and then I could hit perfectly.

At 5 yards or under, I'm more like Bren. Why fool with sights? Just point shoot.

And at 5 yards I can't imagine it making that much of a difference in impact point, no matter which sight picture you use. Of course I don't shoot the modern combat courses anyway. Just practical shooting around the farm.

I've rolled a lot of Armadillos at 5 to 15 yards using my P3AT, and it has what can only be called minimal sights. I just point shoot it.
 
For decades I did target shooting with a centerfold. Then I started shooting moving targets and found my self shooting low at 25 and 50 yards. So I switched to the 6 O'Clock hold and then I could hit perfectly.

At 5 yards or under, I'm more like Bren. Why fool with sights? Just point shoot.

And at 5 yards I can't imagine it making that much of a difference in impact point, no matter which sight picture you use. Of course I don't shoot the modern combat courses anyway. Just practical shooting around the farm.

I've rolled a lot of Armadillos at 5 to 15 yards using my P3AT, and it has what can only be called minimal sights. I just point shoot it.
Shooting without using the sights at less than 5-7 yards is definitely a thing. It just doesn’t happen to be my thing. I never knock anyone who does it provided it works for them, and it works for a lot of people. For me it’s just as fast to pick up a flash sight picture, so that’s what I do. Differences in training and all that jazz. There’s more than one way to skin that particular cat.
 
I appreciate your perspective on this.

I am pretty new to SD pistol shooting and confess to being a “target shooter” who (naively) thought that if I can punch holes in paper accurately I would somehow miraculously be able to take care of business when the time came.

I like the idea of knowing when to disengage and break contact. Sounds much wiser than trying to fight it out in the street.

thanks again
Keep in mind, it's only my opinion of things. Target shooting is a legit and fun activity unto itself and I prefer it over SD shooting exercises. When I was in the academy for my department in 1974, the training we got for shooting was at silhouette targets and the instructors yelling at us trying to get us rattled while firing our weapons (primarily, our revolvers and shotguns and after they determined we were handling firearms safely and wouldn't shoot ourselves, classmates, or the instructors). Training now is sooo much better than what we got.
 
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The stock Glocks and CZ's I've shot are combat hold. Springfield 1911's and polymer pistols are center hold from the factory.
 
Center hold. That line up the dots technique is for shooting at night with night sights.
 
My guns are all factory and combat seems to be the most accurate. Conversely, I prefer center hold up to 15 yards, but beyond that?

Don't give a bleep - can't see squat after 50 ft anymore. Now need a scope just to shoot Bullseye.
 
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