[Deputydave]

Not necessarily, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[bac1023]

How many times do we have to go through this?

Calling Glock and other mainstream service guns overpriced because Taurus is selling a gun for less shows complete ignorance of the market.

Taurus CAN NOT get away with selling their guns for the same price. Do you want companies like Glock, Sig, etc to lower their prices and put Taurus out of business? That’s what would happen. NOBODY is going to pay mainstream price for a POS Taurus.

This isn’t that hard to understand...

 

[bac1023]

I can't ignore the fact that they've been making this particular line for 15 years and thousands of people have been burned by bad ones. It's hard to praise them because they finally got it figured out.

It’s ridiculous

Yes the G2 seems to be a greatly improved pistol, especially by Taurus standards. However, it’s still a Taurus. Taurus can not and will not compete on a level playing field with Glock, Sig, S&W, etc from a pricing standpoint. The market won’t allow it.

I’m amazed how people can’t get this concept through their skulls. It’s like trying to pound it into rock, quite frankly.

 

[Deputydave]

Taurus is trying hard to turn their poor reputation around. They have dumped several pistols out of their 2019 catalog, have hired US Engineers, are building a manufacturing Plant in Georgia, they are making the Spectrum here and are going thru all of what they do build to increase QC. I applaud their effort and wish them the best of Luck. From what I have seen, they are starting to do a great job.
As a case in point, about 2 years ago, I had reason to buy another 5 shot 2" .38. I was done w/ S&W's newest J frames, the new J's are mostly MIM(Even the Barrel, BtW!), and are a poor example of the Iconic J frames of 60's. I happened upon a Taurus Mod. 85 5 shot snubbie stainless and took a real long look at it. I was amazed that every fit measurement on the little revolver was spot on. I bought it, took it home and opened it up to look. Every part of the little revolver was well put together. And yes, it did have MIM(nature of the Beast, anymore, I'm afraid!) parts in it, but everything was just as it should be. No misfitted parts, no too deep grind/file marks, no buggered up pieces. Gap was spot on. Timing was spot on. Backlash was spot on. DA pull was nice and smooth, at about 8lbs! SA perfect at 2.5lbs, etc. I was very impressed. I put it back together, lubed it, shot it at the range(It hit to the sights at 7 yds!), cleaned it up, and dropped into a pocket holster for later use. I have carried it and shot it every now and then w/ absolutely no problems. My only complaint is I bought the full stainless frame 85, and it is a little Tank. But then the weight keeps the +P from being punishing, so there you go.
I also have a long story about the PT111 G2(Now the G2C!) and what kind of great service it has given me(I have owned 3 of them!).
End conclusion is Taurus is trying hard to be a decent firearms manufacturer, and I think they are getting there. And this is from a Guy who used to say "Friends don't let friends buy Taurus firearms" Not anymore, I don't.

I've owned several 85's over the years. Liked them quite a bit and very good shooters. I agree on the S&W J frames. I had a 640 years ago that developed a crack all the way down it's underlug. Not from shooting. It's like it was manufactured that way under the surface. Just a hair line crack but noticeable.

Really the only issue I had with a Taurus was a 7-shot model 66. Became very stiff to pull the trigger. Not a huge issue and easily corrected. All the pistols I've owned just shot everything put through them.

Of course some of those that poo-poo Taurus the loudest never even held one. Just like to hear themselves and up their post count. And that of course invalidates their entire one-sided opinion as they aren't qualified to have an opinion on a topic they have no experience with.

 

[jstrange]

I just watched/scrolled through both those videos hoping to see some serious rounds put through the gun and much to my chagrin not even one round fired. Not one. I finally gave up somewhere in the middle of the second video, but at that point he hadn't even said whether he's even shot one at all before. Not to mention the misleading title that suggests that one gun will shoot 10,000 rounds, not the actuality that 10 separate guns are shooting around 800. 19 minutes of him talking about one of his future classes with not much discussion on the guns themselves and no shooting. I did learn he likes cold Monster Energy drinks though. Pretty disappointing videos, I'll check back in around May I guess.

 

[Pandaz3]

I just watched/scrolled through both those videos hoping to see some serious rounds put through the gun and much to my chagrin not even one round fired. Not one. I finally gave up somewhere in the middle of the second video, but at that point he hadn't even said whether he's even shot one at all before. Not to mention the misleading title that suggests that one gun will shoot 10,000 rounds, not the actuality that 10 separate guns are shooting around 800. 19 minutes of him talking about one of his future classes with not much discussion on the guns themselves and no shooting. I did learn he likes cold Monster Energy drinks though. Pretty disappointing videos, I'll check back in around May I guess.

He did say he had and had not been impressed until the guy went thru a class with one.

 

[Deputydave]

I just watched/scrolled through both those videos hoping to see some serious rounds put through the gun and much to my chagrin not even one round fired. Not one. I finally gave up somewhere in the middle of the second video, but at that point he hadn't even said whether he's even shot one at all before. Not to mention the misleading title that suggests that one gun will shoot 10,000 rounds, not the actuality that 10 separate guns are shooting around 800. Pretty disappointing videos, I'll check back in around May I guess.

Not sure what your issue is? He clearly stated that the test was at the end of May with 8-10 students going through his course. Additionally, he fired the G2 in part 2 on camera and commented on it. He also commented on a student already putting 1K rounds though a G2.

I'm just as interested to see 10 different guns putting 1K rounds through as I would be a single gun putting 10K. Plus if you look at the Taurus forum and/or the comments here and on the YT video(s) you'll see that many G2's already have high round counts throughout the various models of the G2.

 

[MD357]

I just watched/scrolled through both those videos hoping to see some serious rounds put through the gun and much to my chagrin not even one round fired. Not one. I finally gave up somewhere in the middle of the second video, but at that point he hadn't even said whether he's even shot one at all before. Pretty disappointing videos, I'll check back in around May I guess.

I'll say you scrolled and did hardly any watching. He gave the outline of what he intends to do. I've always thought he was dooschey but I think it's pretty cool he's allowing guys to take his class for free if they bring a Taurus and good ammo.

He shot the gun in the second video BTW LOL.

 

[J_Rico]

Oh. I was hoping 10k rounds. One gun. Much less impressed with it being split up.

A car making it to 250k miles is cool. 10 cars making it to 25k miles is a Tuesday.

 

[Ofc.JL]

The G2C(and now G2S, single stack!) is quite a well thought out pistol. It has Walther, Glock, and XD engineering in it, and are well built w/ great QC, these days. I have heard of few probs in general, and great performance all around. It does have a few flaws, such as it is not ambidextrous on it's controls, and given it's engineering, I am not sure that can be changed. It does come w/ adjustable sights, and even though they are plastic, they seem to hold up well, for the most part. And the blue finish will come off w/ use, but what finish doesn't short of Stainless Steel. As far as a 10,000 round pistol, if it can do it, great! I feel it can do more. But it was designed to be carried a lot and qualified w/ on a regular basis, not used in IDPA every weekend, so the 10,000 rd challenge is interesting, but moot to me. It is no more then it intends to be, a very decent carry pistol, that is in the same size rank as a G26, P365, Shield, XD compact, etc. In that circle of carry pistols, it stands w/ the best of them, IMHO. I like mine, and I am a nit picker about my carry guns. They work right, or they don't get carried, period.

 

[jstrange]

My issu

Not sure what your issue is? He clearly stated that the test was at the end of May with 8-10 students going through his course. Additionally, he fired the G2 in part 2 on camera and commented on it. He also commented on a student already putting 1K rounds though a G2.

I'm just as interested to see 10 different guns putting 1K rounds through as I would be a single gun putting 10K. Plus if you look at the Taurus forum and/or the comments here and on the YT video(s) you'll see that many G2's already have high round counts throughout the various models of the G2.

My issue is the thread title is misleading, the entire first video was a waste of time and the second video may have had some shooting, but I got so sick of listening to him talk that I scrolled right through it looking for any range action. 19 minutes of him talking about what he intends to do does not make for compelling video. Hey, kudos to the guy for giving class time for testing but this thread would have been much better as an after action report than a teaser for something happening next month. Baring that, a five minute video could have covered the topic and left time to spare. I must just be in a bad mood. Anyway, carry on.

 

[Ofc.JL]

BtW, for sights and some accessories on the G2C(S), go to LakeLine LLC. They have some neat stuff for G2C's and the prices are right.
Galloway Precision, has accessories as well.

 

[MD357]

Oh. I was hoping 10k rounds. One gun. Much less impressed with it being split up.

A car making it to 250k miles is cool. 10 cars making it to 25k miles is a Tuesday.

That's not an apples to apples comparison. 10 guns going through a 1000 round class. Not the end all be all, but would be a pretty good data point for the naysayers.

 

[TeaDub]

Taurus is trying hard to turn their poor reputation around. They have dumped several pistols out of their 2019 catalog, have hired US Engineers, are building a manufacturing Plant in Georgia, they are making the Spectrum here and are going thru all of what they do build to increase QC. I applaud their effort and wish them the best of Luck. From what I have seen, they are starting to do a great job.
As a case in point, about 2 years ago, I had reason to buy another 5 shot 2" .38. I was done w/ S&W's newest J frames, the new J's are mostly MIM(Even the Barrel, BtW!), and are a poor example of the Iconic J frames of 60's. I happened upon a Taurus Mod. 85 5 shot snubbie stainless and took a real long look at it. I was amazed that every fit measurement on the little revolver was spot on. I bought it, took it home and opened it up to look. Every part of the little revolver was well put together. And yes, it did have MIM(nature of the Beast, anymore, I'm afraid!) parts in it, but everything was just as it should be. No misfitted parts, no too deep grind/file marks, no buggered up pieces. Gap was spot on. Timing was spot on. Backlash was spot on. DA pull was nice and smooth, at about 8lbs! SA perfect at 2.5lbs, etc. I was very impressed. I put it back together, lubed it, shot it at the range(It hit to the sights at 7 yds!), cleaned it up, and dropped into a pocket holster for later use. I have carried it and shot it every now and then w/ absolutely no problems. My only complaint is I bought the full stainless frame 85, and it is a little Tank. But then the weight keeps the +P from being punishing, so there you go.
I also have a long story about the PT111 G2(Now the G2C!) and what kind of great service it has given me(I have owned 3 of them!).
End conclusion is Taurus is trying hard to be a decent firearms manufacturer, and I think they are getting there. And this is from a Guy who used to say "Friends don't let friends buy Taurus firearms" Not anymore, I don't.

I may put Taurus revolvers on "the list". My next gun will likely be another wheel gun or possibly another lever action. The revolver would be mostly for fun but might serve limited carry duty. A Taurus deserves to be considered.

Up until a year ago, I worked at a LGS/Range. About 4 years worth of experience. My time there had me note the improvement in their revolvers. Fit and finish, trigger pull, etc. I can't really jump on the love-fest for their semi-autos. That same experience showed A LOT of issues with their smaller, carry 9mm guns. We sold a metric ton of them. We sent a bunch back to Taurus because they didn't always work. Perhaps they've turned the corner in the last 13 months?

I will give the company credit. They are making headway and seem to be trying to improve. Most of their semi-autos are not lefty friendly, so I'm not really in the market to buy one anyway. I do wish them well though.

 

[Dave514]

Not necessarily, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

If you had a NIB Glock 19X and were looking to sell it, how much would you charge me for it?
How about a Gen 5 Glock 19? How much?

 

[Borg Warner]

I'm just going by the reputation the gun has established so far to assume that it's a reliable gun without any apparent problems and to my knowledge, since it's inception the G2c hasn't had any of the many problems of the Sig P365.

And as such, there was no need for me to have to sit though a couple of videos by James Yeager who ranks right up there with The Yankee Marshall as far as internet firearms "expertise", to conclude that the gun is most likely reliable.

I once watched a video by James Yeager where he pontificated that the 9mm was better than the 40 almost solely because the 40 was a higher pressure round than the 9mm and went into great detail about how bad high pressure rounds like the 40 and the 357 Sig are, when the fact of the matter is that the 9mm and the 40 operate at the same exact maximum chamber pressure.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. And that's just one of many examples of why the man has no credibility. There are many more.

But regardless, the G2c seems to be a reliable gun and I'm glad to see that that Taurus has finally succeeded in making a reliable gun. But I just don't like the trigger on these guns and I don't like the thumb safety and I don't like the added grip length over a G26.

But even if the gun can make it through 10k rounds without any problems, just as many Glocks have done, this gun is not going to "replace" the G26 just because it's cheaper. I'm willing to pay more to get something that I like a whole lot better and is more effective for me to use and there are many other Glock owners that feel that way which is why Glock continues to sell so many guns.

I notice they also make a G2S which is a single stack but it has the same crappy trigger and thumb safety and I would much prefer a G43 or a Ruger LC9 Pro to the G2S , and not because I think Taurus guns are poor quality, or might be unreliable, but only because I consider the trigger on these guns to be a poor design.

But reliable? I don't need James Yeager to determine that for me. Yeager was actually involved in a firefight as a civilian contractor in Iraq and wrote a long account of the incident, and his account of which was not borne out by actual video footage, prompting some to accuse him of cowardice.

I'm not in any position to pass judgment, not having actually been there in his shoes, but that's why a lot of people have such a low opinion of him combined with the fact that he's a blowhard. Here are other things about this man that undermine his credibility as a firearms "Expert".

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/...3/04/tactical-response-banned-instructor-negligently-discharges-students-truck/

https://www.wsmv.com/news/state-sus...ry-permit-for-tn-man-who-made/article_6ab99b61-6cbe-5b8b-a657-c503c141f379.html

 

[Deputydave]

If you had a NIB Glock 19X and were looking to sell it, how much would you charge me for it?
How about a Gen 5 Glock 19? How much?

For you? I suppose about 10k each. But only because I don't really care for you. Tell you what though, I do have a 19X with about 50 rounds through it. I'll sell it to you at half price since it technically isn't LNIB anymore. Five grand and it's all yours. I'll even include shipping in the price.

 

[Idontplaynice]

I hope the G2C is as good as some reports say. The price is fantastic. I'm at a point where I'm not sure I'd trust my life to a Taurus yet, with so many other guns out there. The PT92 is an exception.

 

[ctxcummins]

Yeager is a God damned coward, liar and a belligerent fool and will get people killed. Anyone who listens and agrees with him is no better.

Vet who you are taking advice and training from, people. Do your due diligence. Your life may depend on it one day.

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[Will Beararms]

Dayumed Deputy Dave. I had put James Yeager completely out of my mind and now this. The chip is still on his shoulder.