[Frankenstein]

Does anyone have an issue with ejecting there mags from a gen 4 19?

Not the usual issues where you have to change grip..etc, I'm talking about after you do all that, you still have to dig in & push extremely hard. My thumb is numb after a day at the range...

I tried Vickers extended mag button... in short, listen to the reviews and don't buy it.
I then bought a ghost, better then the vickers, but worst then stock.....
I shaved down the area on the button, that catches the mag and it made it slightly better but, now I'm fn with something I'll be carrying sooo....no

So after all that time and money wasted, like most, I'm back to stock. I'm wondering if they sell a thinner/not as stiff mag spring rod?

Is this normal or is my 19 a freak.

Your feedback is appreciated.

 

[svtpwnz]

There is no way to change the spring tension on the mag release that Im aware of and its really just a small rod sticking up inside the mag well. Ive personally never experienced any trouble with the stock or Vickers releases. some pics might help if you can post them.

 

[ChillyB]

Is button hard to press, or does the button seem to reach end of travel and still not release the mag, requiring excessive pressure to get it to finally drop?

 

[Frankenstein]

There is no way to change the spring tension on the mag release that Im aware of and its really just a small rod sticking up inside the mag well. Ive personally never experienced any trouble with the stock or Vickers releases. some pics might help if you can post them.

Thanks for your response.
Yes, its a simply mechanism. A rod under tension when bent, creates tension. BUT the thicker the rod, the harder the resistance. A thinner rod would take less pressure to push in. I just don't know if that exists. I'm just tossing it out there.
...or any fix to my issue. I'm all ears.

Trying Glock extended mag next. Its slight but anything has to be better.

 

[Frankenstein]

Is button hard to press, or does the button seem to reach end of travel and still not release the mag, requiring excessive pressure to get it to finally drop?

Bingo!
Yes & Yes!..lol It seems real hard to depress (which is why I was hoping for a thinner tension rod spring). But a good amount of times it also seems to hit end of travel and then not drop all the time.

Have you had a similar issue?


Thanks ChillyB

 

[cciman]

There is a saying: "..indian...arrow/bow" :eyelashes:

Perhaps a mag drop, dry training, slow motion session when you are alone. Really figure out if there if there is a physical reason for your issue-- are your hands or thumbs too small, weak, or short, or perhaps even too long...which can cause difficult angle in applying pressure. Practice makes perfect.

Are you turning your wrist in the action of pressing the release, or is the mag straight up/down.

I have similar (not exact) issues with a G19- I sanded down flat the silly hump on the L side of the grip on my EDC G19, and I also recently installed OE Glock extended release. There are downsides to making the effort easier too-- specifically holster contact on an extended button, or weaker spring makes the loaded mag poop out at the worst times.

 

[cciman]

All the Glocks run the same "spring" so it is unlikely yours is a freak.

 

[cciman]

Are your mags original Factory, newer 3+ generation?

Older or aftermarket mags may have a bulging issue, or spec issues, that prevents drop, or the polymer is sticky/gritty after hitting the dirt a few times (ETS mags). Older Glock mags also may not be metal lined.

 

[svtpwnz]

The spring is the same for all the Glocks and Ive never heard of an aftermarket for one. Ive honestly never tried to remove one. What size hands do you have? Are you pushing the release with the tip of your thumb or with the ball on the joint of your thumb? I have fairly large hands and use the ball joint of my thumb to push the release and it is almost effortless.

 

[WeeWilly]

An extended release will give you more leverage.

 

[Just Glocks]

If you don't push release all the way across it will drag on the mag or could have a burr not allowing it to go all the way across , have had this on a couple new Glocks and is a easy fix

 

[sullyxlh]

Bingo!
Yes & Yes!..lol It seems real hard to depress (which is why I was hoping for a thinner tension rod spring). But a good amount of times it also seems to hit end of travel and then not drop all the time.

Have you had a similar issue?


Thanks ChillyB

My new G3 17 is exactly like that, I have to relinquish my grip just to drop the mag so it's just been a range gun for now.
My G2 17 is just the opposite..

 

[Frankenstein]

First, Thanks for the responses. I do appreciate it.

Are your mags original Factory, newer 3+ generation?

Older or aftermarket mags may have a bulging issue, or spec issues, that prevents drop, or the polymer is sticky/gritty after hitting the dirt a few times (ETS mags). Older Glock mags also may not be metal lined.

Yes. All 4 are O.E. (3 come with the gun. ) They are all newer gen 4 mags
I'm familiar with that bulge issue. I bought them last year so I'm assuming I'm good. Plus, I don't leave them all loaded. I was thinking of getting the Magpul Mags. Give those a shot.


Thanks

There is a saying: "..indian...arrow/bow" :eyelashes:


Perhaps a mag drop, dry training, slow motion session when you are alone. Really figure out if there if there is a physical reason for your issue-- are your hands or thumbs too small, weak, or short, or perhaps even too long...which can cause difficult angle in applying pressure. Practice makes perfect.

Are you turning your wrist in the action of pressing the release, or is the mag straight up/down.

I have similar (not exact) issues with a G19- I sanded down flat the silly hump on the L side of the grip on my EDC G19, and I also recently installed OE Glock extended release. There are downsides to making the effort easier too-- specifically holster contact on an extended button, or weaker spring makes the loaded mag poop out at the worst times.

I hear what your saying but to be honest, there really should not be that much effort or practice required to ejecting a magazine. Its a button. I understand its in a bad position on the gen 4 19 but again, I should not have to press more then once ( in some cases) and with enough pressure to push a Buick.

I'm curious to learn more about what you "sanded". I wonder if you wound up removing material in the same area I did. As I mentioned it seemed to have helped but I bailed on the idea. If you could elaborate on that, that

The spring is the same for all the Glocks and Ive never heard of an aftermarket for one. Ive honestly never tried to remove one. What size hands do you have? Are you pushing the release with the tip of your thumb or with the ball on the joint of your thumb? I have fairly large hands and use the ball joint of my thumb to push the release and it is almost effortless.

My hands are towards the large size too. My thumb reaches. I too use the hard joint area. Even when I switch position and push directly, its still a pita..
Thanks!

If you don't push release all the way across it will drag on the mag or could have a burr not allowing it to go all the way across , have had this on a couple new Glocks and is a easy fix

Do you mean you have a burr on the mag or the lower. If it the gun do tell brotha. How did you fix it. ?

My new G3 17 is exactly like that, I have to relinquish my grip just to drop the mag so it's just been a range gun for now.
My G2 17 is just the opposite..

Ok so I'm not loosing my mind..

 

[sullyxlh]

Fwiw
My new G3 17 required 7lbs of force to eject the mag compared to 5lbs on my G2 granted it's seen some use..

 

[Frankenstein]

Fwiw
My new G3 17 required 7lbs of force to eject the mag compared to 5lbs on my G2 granted it's seen some use..

Interesting. I have some ideas. Contacting a gunsmith as we speak...

 

[Frankenstein]

I knew they had to have different weighted Spring rods! This is a bit to light. But if there is this, there is possibly a 3.5 or 4lb out there! I'll make it.
http://www.rockyourglock.com/custom/RYG-RDMGCT.htm

 

[fuzzy03cls]

Buy one of those finger strengtheners....

 

[DJ Niner]

I've seen a few different people who have experienced similar problems. I can't say if you are having the same difficulty, but I can tell you how to find out.

The next time you find yourself needing to push really hard on the mag catch to eject a magazine, STOP. FREEZE. Leave your thumb on the button, and do not move your shooting hand or finger positions at all (ANY of the fingers).

Then, while carefully maintaining your current hand position AND keeping the pistol pointing in a safe direction (VERY important!), rotate your hand (for a right-handed person, rotate it counter-clockwise, rear sight going left, mag base going to the right), until you can see the other side of the frame, and where your fingers are positioned on that opposite side. Remember, always keep it pointing at the target area for safety.

Why are we doing this? Some folks, when they go to eject the magazine, will shift their grip and try to "brace" their middle finger on the opposite side of the frame, to get a better mechanical advantage to press the mag catch button. This generally works fine, unless the braced finger ends up on the opposite end of the magazine catch where it passes through the frame. If they brace against the mag catch, then their thumb is pressing on the "button" end of the mag catch, and their braced finger is on the other side of the frame, applying near-equal pressure on the OTHER end of the same part. And under these conditions, unsurprisingly, it doesn't move very well. Eventually, they really lean on the button (usually with an assist from the support hand, or by turning the pistol in their hand), the thumb overcomes the braced finger or the finger is moved, and the mag gets ejected. So: once you've rotated the pistol, carefully look at the position of your other fingers; are any of them on top of the other end of the mag catch?

If so, needless to say, this is VERY embarrassing for the shooter. But the good news is, it's an easy training fix, and after changing the hand/grip position during the mag change and doing a few hundred (1000?) repetitions to form the new habit, the shooter usually doesn't see the problem again.

And to head-off the folks who will call this another "Glock problem", it's not; I've seen it with other manufacturers' pistols, too. Most instructors who have trained a lot of new gun owners/users in basic pistol operation have probably seen it as well.

 

[Frankenstein]

Buy one of those finger strengtheners....

If I was having a problem with making an F cord, then yeah...

I've seen a few different people who have experienced similar problems. I can't say if you are having the same difficulty, but I can tell you how to find out.

The next time you find yourself needing to push really hard on the mag catch to eject a magazine, STOP. FREEZE. Leave your thumb on the button, and do not move your shooting hand or finger positions at all (ANY of the fingers).

Then, while carefully maintaining your current hand position AND keeping the pistol pointing in a safe direction (VERY important!), rotate your hand (for a right-handed person, rotate it counter-clockwise, rear sight going left, mag base going to the right), until you can see the other side of the frame, and where your fingers are positioned on that opposite side. Remember, always keep it pointing at the target area for safety.

Why are we doing this? Some folks, when they go to eject the magazine, will shift their grip and try to "brace" their middle finger on the opposite side of the frame, to get a better mechanical advantage to press the mag catch button. This generally works fine, unless the braced finger ends up on the opposite end of the magazine catch where it passes through the frame. If they brace against the mag catch, then their thumb is pressing on the "button" end of the mag catch, and their braced finger is on the other side of the frame, applying near-equal pressure on the OTHER end of the same part. And under these conditions, unsurprisingly, it doesn't move very well. Eventually, they really lean on the button (usually with an assist from the support hand, or by turning the pistol in their hand), the thumb overcomes the braced finger or the finger is moved, and the mag gets ejected. So: once you've rotated the pistol, carefully look at the position of your other fingers; are any of them on top of the other end of the mag catch?

If so, needless to say, this is VERY embarrassing for the shooter. But the good news is, it's an easy training fix, and after changing the hand/grip position during the mag change and doing a few hundred (1000?) repetitions to form the new habit, the shooter doesn't see the problem again.

And to head-off the folks who will call this another "Glock problem", it's not; I've seen it with other manufacturers' pistols, too. Most instructors who have trained a lot of new gun owners/users in basic pistol operation have probably seen it as well.

Thank you for your feed back. ...and a well written one I might add.
Good call. When I removed the release button (one of 5 times), I realized I had to hold the other side of the button from coming out while taking the "spring" out. It was then It dawned on me that this bad boy pops out on the other side when the mag release button is depressed. I have to make sure I don't stop it with my other finger when ejecting. So I was somewhat cautious of that and I found that to not be the case. In some cases, I would release my grip and hold the gun with my fingertips and it was still a pita.

After reading this and being more focused on that issue, for ****s and giggles I just grabbed it now and man its awfully close. Its possible it did add to one of the bad ejects. Being a manufacture, I understand cost so I get the simple design but wow what a bad location. I guessing if I or anyone did an undercut it would raise their hand and make it be more on top of it.

Tremendous feedback DJ Niner..

 

[sciolist]

Yes, it's important for most people to rotate the gun in their strong hand on reloads with most stock-ish pistols. Hitting this index consistently is critical, especially on standing reloads.

It's faster and more consistent to re-grip the gun on the way out. A standing reload consists of getting 3 sight pictures: the last call before the gun snaps back, the well, and the first call that the gun presses out to. All the mechanics run concurrently with that process.