[chadar15]

I'm sure the hardcore 10MM guys have already seen this video, but for those who haven't, it's from the Military Arms Channel and he can do a lot better at explaining it with Doppler Radar than I can. Bottom line is, the FBI DESTROYED the 10MM cartridge in its original form.

View: https://youtu.be/s8SJkaxjkCI

 

[Grunow]

If at all possible, I'd take a Mossberg 590A1, 20" barrel with full length mag tube, with a mag extension and load it up with slugs.

"Loaded for bear"

 

[Bren]

I looked up those Xtreme Penetrators and the bullet weights seem way too light - and I'm a guy who usually says velocity matters more.

 

[bea175]

Hard Cast , but i load the XTP 200 gr Hornady for my Glock 20 and feel just fine with this load when in the woods or the street. I do use a 24 lb spring with this load to save wear on the brass.

 

[Horn]

I am assuming a 10mm round. Thanks for your response.
r

On Buffalo Bore's web site there's two photos taken by an Alaskan fishing guide. He dropped a grizzly with a S&W Model 39 (I sure liked mine years ago. Regret sellig it) loaded with BB's 9mm +P Outdoorsman. To me, it looked like a small grizzly. Maybe it was a poor photo but it did look small. But___it was a grizzly.
The owner hunts bears with handguns! (He never mentioned who was with him with a rifle! You can bet there was)
I have these loaded in one of my Sig P320 mags. When I'm out in my desert or in the Santa Rita Mountains (close by) I slip that mag in. There's black bear ( Not really dangerous) and mountain
lion. The F&G department have photos (game cameras) of jaguar up there. Its my understanding cats aren't difficult to kill since they have thin skins. But___they're fast!
Stay safe
Poli Viejo

 

[APH]

Living in Montana, I hike, camp and hunt in bear country almost weekly..and have tested different calibers using hard cast..in fact shot some Buffalo Bore hard cast in 10mm just this past weekend..based on shooting them into various types of medium, I have full confidence in the hard cast..

 

[wolfstar]

Hey guys. My nephew is a big game hunting guide in Alaska. He works all the time with the bush pilots and runs into oil and rail right of way workers. Shotguns, rifles you name it are great but no one has the time to carry that crap everywhere while you are busy trying to get work done. And they are always back in the vehicle or Beaver plane. 10 mm is ok but not a sustitute for 44 mag when dealing with a browns skull. Some guys carry the old Smith 4" model 29, but rage now with bush pilots is the Glock 30 in 45 Super with can be comfortably carried all the time, is always there for man or animal, and closely approximates a 44 with Buffalo Bore 250 grain 45 Super hot loads. 10 rounds in the mag and 1 in the pipe and a spare mag or two. Hotter than any 10mm. And easy to carry and live with on a daily basis. If it's good enough for an Alaska working man like a bush pilot it sounds good to me. This is not a stock G30 of course. They are converted with a KKM drop in barrel and new Wolf springs. The pistol is then 100 percent reliable with 45 cap mil ball, 45 acp plus P and 45 Super loads. Nice setup.

 

[AK_Stick]

I don't think I've ever seen a 45 super afield in AK. I'm sure there are some, much like the 10mm, but I don't think I'd go so far as to say they're "the rage"


Having killed an Alaskan bear with 10mm, I'd opt for hard cast over the extreme penetrator.

Hard cast is definitely up to the task, and while the extreme loadings may also be, I'd hate to find out the hard way that they aren't.


That said, while a 10mm will kill a bear, I don't carry the 10mm as often now, having used it.

 

[wolfstar]

Hey AK...OK I probly shouldnt a called it the rage. Guess its not hoola hoops. LOL
Point was some guys like that fact that there are compact 4" Glocks that you can carry, that will do a job on most things that will kill you in north america. Guys are real happy with either the Glock 29 or 30. 10mm or 45 Super Buffalo Bore heavy hardcast hot loaded rounds will shine.

 

[OrangeDot]

What kind of bear are we talking about here?

All kinds. I trust my 10mm with proper load to take it down with accurate shot placements.

 

[OrangeDot]

..Brown bear, nothing smaller than the .44 magnum. Shot placement is everything when facing large predators that think your food or just pissed off.

I beg to differ on that one. 10mm with 15+1 hot loads will take care of any mammal.

 

[OrangeDot]

That said, while a 10mm will kill a bear, I don't carry the 10mm as often now, having used it.

So what do you carry now? The 500 S&W?

 

[AK_Stick]

So what do you carry now? The 500 S&W?

Mostly, a 44.

Because your unlikely to get more than one, maybe two shots off, regardless of platform.

 

[OrangeDot]

Mostly, a 44.
Because your unlikely to get more than one, maybe two shots off, regardless of platform.

Thanks for sharing with us. I am of the mindset that at close range I can get off 6-7 shots within 2-3 seconds without aiming (just pointing). I hate to be at empty right after that.

 

[AK_Stick]

That's extremely unlikely.

 

[SmokeRoss]

Once again we have folks who assume they can dump a full mag into a charging bear. Not gonna happen.

 

[Pluto57]

Fortunately, there are no bears in the woods I frequent. If there were, I wouldn't frequent them.

 

[CaptainGeneral]

I am assuming a 10mm round. Thanks for your response.
r

Being a Ballistics Engineer, I know what the books, the tables, the formulas, etc. etc. and so forth are on the 10mm. I also live in a place where bear (black, brown/grizzly) are common and having had to kill several, feel I know what the books don't say. Bear are tough critters to stop and kill. The best pistol for bear is a 12-ga. with a 20-in barrel. That being said, I have killed two bears with pistols; one black and one grizzly. Both ended up just a few feet from me. My choice for carrying as I fish is a 10mm Glock 20 with extremely hard cast (24 Brinell) projectiles that weigh 209 gr. I use the Glock simply because it has the magazine capacity. Both bears shot with pistols were killed with hardcast bullets and it took 3 rounds each time. The first time, I used a 44mag revolver because I couldn't reach my rifle in time as it charged. The second time a black bear charged mostly because it smelled my cooking fire and wanted to be invited to dinner. Again it took 3 rounds. My feeling is that I only had 3 rounds left each time. I am a pretty darn fair shot with a number of accolades on the wall. I served with Navy Special Warfare for 35 years. I still am not comfortable shooting a bobbing target that has me on his menu as the Blue Plate Special. That is the main reason I want more rounds. Incidentally, both bears had to be stopped with head shots at point blank range. I'm sure there are some armchair quarterbacks that talk a good fight and will tell the world they'd do it differently, but for me, I choose the Glock 20, Gen IV, with 209gr extremely hardcast bullets. I've chronographed these at 1175fps. They meet SAAMI pressure standards and have a power factor or 234.4. Not only my professional opinion, but my personal carry.

 

[CaptainGeneral]

10MM ammo was traditionally produced as a "hot" round. It was designed that way as requested by the FBI after the Miami shootout In the 1980's. The "REAL" 10MM Ammo is or was an amazing round, but as FBI agents continued to fail qualifications with such a powerful gun, picture nerdy accountant type agents who have to qualify, and smaller framed females, that's what caused the FBI, to go back to Smith & Wesson, who cut down the case and powder charge and TADA!! THE .40 CALIBER.
but before the .40 was made, the FBI tried to find a way to reduce power loads to have their people pass qualifications, so they "pud" loaded their rounds. It became so common, almost every ammo manufacturer did the same over the years.
Long story short, Underwood and Lehigh and a few others are the ones who ACTUALLY are still loading a 10MM the way it was made to to be loaded! It's everyone else who changed.

Thanks for the historic reminder. It brought back lots of memories. I actually helped on the design team for the projectiles that were originally made for the 10mm. Good thumbnail summary.

 

[tundracamper]

Being a Ballistics Engineer, I know what the books, the tables, the formulas, etc. etc. and so forth are on the 10mm. I also live in a place where bear (black, brown/grizzly) are common and having had to kill several, feel I know what the books don't say. Bear are tough critters to stop and kill. The best pistol for bear is a 12-ga. with a 20-in barrel. That being said, I have killed two bears with pistols; one black and one grizzly. Both ended up just a few feet from me. My choice for carrying as I fish is a 10mm Glock 20 with extremely hard cast (24 Brinell) projectiles that weigh 209 gr. I use the Glock simply because it has the magazine capacity. Both bears shot with pistols were killed with hardcast bullets and it took 3 rounds each time. The first time, I used a 44mag revolver because I couldn't reach my rifle in time as it charged. The second time a black bear charged mostly because it smelled my cooking fire and wanted to be invited to dinner. Again it took 3 rounds. My feeling is that I only had 3 rounds left each time. I am a pretty darn fair shot with a number of accolades on the wall. I served with Navy Special Warfare for 35 years. I still am not comfortable shooting a bobbing target that has me on his menu as the Blue Plate Special. That is the main reason I want more rounds. Incidentally, both bears had to be stopped with head shots at point blank range. I'm sure there are some armchair quarterbacks that talk a good fight and will tell the world they'd do it differently, but for me, I choose the Glock 20, Gen IV, with 209gr extremely hardcast bullets. I've chronographed these at 1175fps. They meet SAAMI pressure standards and have a power factor or 234.4. Not only my professional opinion, but my personal carry.

Are these your own recipe, or store bought? You don't mention a brand name. Oh, btw, you must have missed all the posts on this forum insisting you could only get one or two rounds off. Looks like you fired too many