The government arbitrarily labeling anything as "short barreled" was a bad idea that was taken too far. I don't even comprehend the reasoning behind it. It's just as difficult to "conceal" a rifle with a 10 inch barrel as one with a 16 inch barrel. Which is why virtually all crimes and murders committed with a gun are done with a handgun.I understand that you guys want to fight this, but it is a loosing battle. Let's face it, this was a bad idea that was taken too far. It was always going to happen.
Lol.I'm honestly more worried about my stamped SBRs. They are all getting pinned 14.7s and are coming off the books.
That's the thing, these are documents from 2018 that were uncovered using the FOIA. No one would know about them unless that. No one from 2018 to now knew about the documents. So has anything really changed...yet?ScottMn At lease add a up to date link !
The ammoland info is using info from 2018 .
Lets see a november 2020 dated AFT info .
To date I can't find were the oringinal SB15 is illegal be it a SB tactical brand or sig sb15
I consider myself a supporter of the second amendment. The fact you can buy this and you can buy that, but what's in between is regulated differently or possibly illegal is stupid. I don't however want my neighbor to have nuclear arms. In the future, I probably don't want them to have a future emp rifle that wipes out electronics in a 10 block direction. The problem is that I don't trust politicians to rewrite it either.Man there’s a lot of anti Second Amendment people on here. Either you’re 100% for the Second Amendment or you’re against it. You fight for it all or you lose it all.
There is no such thing a "loophole"Much like bump stocks, I think these 'workaround' products (like, as mentioned above, bump stocks, binary triggers and AR pistols) do essentially attempt to thwart the intent of a specific law. While I disagree (strongly) with those laws, it doesn't seem like the time to fight is when they ban pistol 'braces', but when they ban short barreled rifles.
All these loophole-exploiting products have, to me, a short life expectancy. Not how it should be, but controverting the will of the law with a gimmick isn't the ultimate solution.
Larry
This.Man there’s a lot of anti Second Amendment people on here. Either you’re 100% for the Second Amendment or you’re against it. You fight for it all or you lose it all.
You need to read what the ATF has written about what you call "workarounds" with respect to Binary Triggers. Here was the ATF official written statement on Binary Triggers when making bump stocks illegal.Much like bump stocks, I think these 'workaround' products (like, as mentioned above, bump stocks, binary triggers and AR pistols) do essentially attempt to thwart the intent of a specific law. While I disagree (strongly) with those laws, it doesn't seem like the time to fight is when they ban pistol 'braces', but when they ban short barreled rifles.
All these loophole-exploiting products have, to me, a short life expectancy. Not how it should be, but controverting the will of the law with a gimmick isn't the ultimate solution.
Larry
I consider myself a supporter of the second amendment. The fact you can buy this and you can buy that, but what's in between is regulated differently or possibly illegal is stupid. I don't however want my neighbor to have nuclear arms. In the future, I probably don't want them to have a future emp rifle that wipes out electronics in a 10 block direction. The problem is that I don't trust politicians to rewrite it either.
I can also think up random weapons and slightly different variations that could be in a different category that could be made in the next 230 years.
If you have ever bought anythig with a credit card to a gun store, online gun parts retailer, bought gun accessories through amazon, etc, the government can easily track it.Lol.
If they’re maintaining the NFA registry with the intent of having a list, you think they’re going to forget about guns because you suddenly put on a barrel that’s over an arbitrary length limit?
According to the documents that I read, that is not what they “said”.ATF says 23 "braces" are now stocks. They're now SBR's.
I don’t think they will be coming “off the books”. Just will not be considered an SBR.I'm honestly more worried about my stamped SBRs. They are all getting pinned 14.7s and are coming off the books.
I'll play devils advocate here - if this is the premise then we should've never even needed these ridiculous "braces." They are in and of themselves a compromise to appease the laws against your second amendment right to put a stock on a 10 inch barrel AR15 or 14 inch barrel shotgun. Why not carry the fight further and make the stand at NFA as a whole?Man there’s a lot of anti Second Amendment people on here. Either you’re 100% for the Second Amendment or you’re against it. You fight for it all or you lose it all.
Oh my that was painful to try to watch. Just put a link to actual ATF legit document.
i am 100% 2a. If this is true and you did not see something coming? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck it must be a duck. Do you want to leave it up to some bureaucratic jack leg to tell the difference between theses devices.
braces, bump stocks, binary triggers and such is just flirting with disaster. Save your capital energy and fight for when they come to take your Glock 17 or M4 AR.
On the flip side, not submitting them for "approval" also doesnt make them illegal.This is not about ALL braces, it's about 23 braces that SB Tactical produced but never submitted for approval.
Sensational headline is sensational.
What other "loosing battles" are there? How many other freedoms are "bad ideas taken too far" we should just let go?I understand that you guys want to fight this, but it is a loosing battle. Let's face it, this was a bad idea that was taken too far. It was always going to happen.
Careful with that advice.An M4 AR is an AR pistol unless you buy a stamp.