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Thanks for the link. Forgive me if I'm preaching to the choir.
I'm skeptical about people suddenly saying they have things that have not been medically determined. Asthma and migraine headaches are the 2 most common. When triaging a pt a claim of either causes me to ask the name of the doctor who diagnosed it. Often they have self diagnosed. In each case it changes the treatment, and having either in your medical records can cause problems later because they are chronic and cause frequent sick time. Somehow employers find out about these and avoid hiring. I have asthma and wear masks for 8 hours with no problems.
 

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How is that different than being asked by a business to leave when they see you with a gun?
Bingo, you are exactly right in making that comparison. They are the same (well except for the no guns on school property deal). Where we disagree is on the outcome. A healthy breathing individual wanting to watch a football game is legal behavior. A citizen exercising a God given right by being armed is legal behavior. The issue is all these nitwit lawmakers that have create a nanny state AND use local LE to enforce meaningless laws and ordinance.

The issue is citizens have not yet been indoctrinated enough and faced enough enforcement to understand the "supposed" danger of not wearing a mask outdoors. For pete's sake, they have arrested people on beaches in CA and NY. I am just surprised there are so many here that supposedly love their 2A but are ok with this. My bad, I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
 

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Again, not arrested for masklesness.
 

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Yep, we covered that already. Ok, if you want to get technical - why was contact by the officer initially made? Again, we all know why.
But you seemed to lose sight of the facts on your self defeating rant which identified another reason to get trespassed. The matter isn't about how we all agree that not wearing a mask and carrying a gun should be allowed. It's about the fact that these places have a right to refuse and LE will trespass you. Resist and get forced.
This is not new.
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Feigning outrage because the latest request is to wear a mask may be popular because we all hate the mask mandates but it's just as illogical as crying about someone getting trespassed from 7-11 for not wearing shoes or a shirt and then getting handcuffed when they resist LE.

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It's about the fact that these places have a right to refuse and LE will trespass you. Resist and get forced.
What about the actions of BLM and Antifa? The business owners had a right to refuse rioters, looters from burning down their establishment. These people disobeyed city curfews as well and they were not arrested? They were all trespassers too, right? The optics of the law and peoples rights are not evenly applied but are weighed to each owns agenda. To me, if there are rules and regulations they need to be applied consistently across the board and this is where it breaks down.
 
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What about the actions of BLM and Antifa? The business owners had a right to refuse rioters, looters from burning down their establishment. These people disobeyed city curfews as well and they were not arrested? They were all trespassers too, right? The optics of the law and peoples rights are not evenly applied but are weighed to each owns agenda. To me, if there are rules and regulations they need to be applied consistently across the board and this is where it breaks down.
The obvious hypocrisy does not negate the validity of my point.
 

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She was arrested for basically being an idiot. If the school system decided they would only allow parents to attend their kids games if they wore masks while in the stadium, you have a couple choices: wear a mask even if you think it is stupid, or don’t attend. If you are told to leave, you leave- throwing a fit and refusing to leave sure sets a great example for the kid just trying to play his game.
 

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The obvious hypocrisy does not negate the validity of my point.
There lies the issue........Do as I say, but not what I do
 

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There lies the issue........Do as I say, but not what I do
When "Two Wrongs Make A Right" you will have a valid defense for the woman in question. Until then...watch your head.

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Forcing police to enforce stupid rules(beyond even stupid state rules), does not help their image. They are having a hard enough time now, deserved or not (not the vast majority of time), schools and other places don't need to make it worse. That said, complying with the police is the best policy. You can sue them later if appropriate. Not complying can lead to your heirs unsuccessfully trying to sue them later.
 

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But you seemed to lose sight of the facts on your self defeating rant which identified another reason to get trespassed. The matter isn't about how we all agree that not wearing a mask and carrying a gun should be allowed. It's about the fact that these places have a right to refuse and LE will trespass you. Resist and get forced.
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Feigning outrage because the latest request is to wear a mask may be popular because we all hate the mask mandates but it's just as illogical as crying about someone getting trespassed from 7-11 for not wearing shoes or a shirt and then getting handcuffed when they resist LE.
That's why I don't like you Dave, you use words in your post that simply aren't true in an attempt to win the argument. Of course we know what happens when you can't win the argument. You tell people to digest their defecation and the mods here have no issue with apparently.

I haven't lost sight of anything and my posts in this thread have not been "self defeating rants." Businesses DO have a right to trespass people. I never said differently BUT businesses should trespass on the grounds of either unlawful behavior and/or disorderly behavior. It IS freaking new - to arrest someone sans mask - you just don't want to concede to that. 6 months ago sitting in a stadium sans mask WAS completely lawful behavior. Yes I know schools can make rules and yes I know LEOs can make arrest for violations of law (Hell I did it for 20 yrs. You?) What I am saying that you and full semi auto gloss over is that on principle, this was a BS arrest. By your argument, anyone that commits a violation of law or violation of a school policy (determined by who knows who) should be arrested. How very naziesque of you.
 

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That's why I don't like you Dave, you use words in your post that simply aren't true in an attempt to win the argument. Of course we know what happens when you can't win the argument. You tell people to digest their defecation and the mods here have no issue with apparently.

I haven't lost sight of anything and my posts in this thread have not been "self defeating rants." Businesses DO have a right to trespass people. I never said differently BUT businesses should trespass on the grounds of either unlawful behavior and/or disorderly behavior. It IS freaking new - to arrest someone sans mask - you just don't want to concede to that. 6 months ago sitting in a stadium sans mask WAS completely lawful behavior. Yes I know schools can make rules and yes I know LEOs can make arrest for violations of law (Hell I did it for 20 yrs. You?) What I am saying that you and full semi auto gloss over is that on principle, this was a BS arrest. By your argument, anyone that commits a violation of law or violation of a school policy (determined by who knows who) should be arrested. How very naziesque of you.
It is not against their law to not wear a mask. It is against their law to not leave the premises when asked to by law enforcement after being trespassed. Is that so hard to understand?
 

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That's why I don't like you Dave, you use words in your post that simply aren't true in an attempt to win the argument. Of course we know what happens when you can't win the argument. You tell people to digest their defecation and the mods here have no issue with apparently.
I used your words to win the argument.


I haven't lost sight of anything and my posts in this thread have not been "self defeating rants."
Yes you have. And you're doing it again later, below.

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Businesses DO have a right to trespass people. I never said differently BUT businesses should trespass on the grounds of either unlawful behavior and/or disorderly behavior.
But that is your opinion.

The fact is, places like schools and businesses can trespass people for something as simple as not wearing shoes.


It IS freaking new - to arrest someone sans mask - you just don't want to concede to that. 6 months ago sitting in a stadium sans mask WAS completely lawful behavior.
And there it is. You losing sight of why this woman was arrested.

Yes I know schools can make rules and yes I know LEOs can make arrest for violations of law (Hell I did it for 20 yrs. You?) What I am saying that you and full semi auto gloss over is that on principle, this was a BS arrest.
No it wasn't. She was trespassed and asked to leave. Her refusal got her arrested and rightly so.

By your argument, anyone that commits a violation of law or violation of a school policy (determined by who knows who) should be arrested. How very naziesque of you.
At what point are you going to stop conflating the idea that the arrest was for violating school policy and not resisting being trespassed?

At no time have I made the argument that someone should be arrested for not wearing a mask.

As FS-Auto asks, why is this so hard for you to understand?

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When "Two Wrongs Make A Right" you will have a valid defense for the woman in question. Until then...watch your head.

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Never said I was defending her?? Was just questioning the optics, sooo I went and actually watched the video and read the local news story not the Washington Dung Post story. I did not see where the girl was told to leave....

"According to Tiffany Kennedy, the woman who shot the above video, Kitts had not been warned for not wearing a mask prior to the officer approaching her. Kennedy also said that Kitts has asthma and that’s why she was not wearing a mask."

"Kennedy also pointed out the female officer who is shown running toward the Logan officer and Kitts at the end of the video was not wearing a mask – pulling one out of her pocket as she was in pursuit." again, do as I say and not as I do......signs and loud speakers I do not see as telling somebody. After all she did pay and get through the gate, was she wearing a mask then? Don't know the answer, was she wearing one to get in and then take it off? Don't know that answer either. From the video she was distanced from others beside mom and if anything it looks like she was assaulted by the police officer. Her body language showed no signs of resistance or anything. The whole situation is sad to see and unfortunate. I am glad I live in an area where even our local sheriffs publicly said they will not be enforcing this face mask law regardless of what our idiot Governor said. Like I said earlier the optics do not look good, I don't think nobody can say they have all the details etc. just a sad event to see at a high school football game.

https://theohiostar.com/2020/09/23/...-and-arrested-for-not-wearing-mask-at-a-game/
 

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She was told to leave...

"An Ohio police officer tased and arrested a woman on Wednesday after she refused to leave an eighth grade football game for not wearing a mask, officials said....After Kitts refused to leave the stadium, the officer warned she would be cited for trespassing. She was tased after she resisted arrest."
"Officer Smith advised the female several times that she needed to put her mask on, and that if she did not, she would be asked to leave and would have to wait outside the stadium," the statement reads. "The female continually refused his request and Officer Smith advised her that if she refused to leave, she would be cited for trespassing and escorted off the property."
Police said after Kitts refused to leave, Smith told her she was under arrest but she resisted.

The officer told her he would use his Taser if she didn't comply. The woman continued resisting, police said, prompting him to use his Taser "on her shoulder area and drive stunned her once," which allowed him to arrest her.

Kitts was charged with criminal trespassing and released at the scene. Additional charges are pending for Kitts and another woman with her who allegedly interfered with the arrest."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/517991-woman-tased-arrested-for-not-wearing-mask-at-ohio-football-game?amp

When they charge her with masklessness, let me know.
 

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She was told to leave...

"An Ohio police officer tased and arrested a woman on Wednesday after she refused to leave an eighth grade football game for not wearing a mask, officials said....After Kitts refused to leave the stadium, the officer warned she would be cited for trespassing. She was tased after she resisted arrest."
"Officer Smith advised the female several times that she needed to put her mask on, and that if she did not, she would be asked to leave and would have to wait outside the stadium," the statement reads. "The female continually refused his request and Officer Smith advised her that if she refused to leave, she would be cited for trespassing and escorted off the property."
Police said after Kitts refused to leave, Smith told her she was under arrest but she resisted.

The officer told her he would use his Taser if she didn't comply. The woman continued resisting, police said, prompting him to use his Taser "on her shoulder area and drive stunned her once," which allowed him to arrest her.

Kitts was charged with criminal trespassing and released at the scene. Additional charges are pending for Kitts and another woman with her who allegedly interfered with the arrest."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/517991-woman-tased-arrested-for-not-wearing-mask-at-ohio-football-game?amp

When they charge her with masklessness, let me know.
Ok, wonder if the other officer was ask to leave the stadium for not wearing a mask?
 
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