Debate You Can't Separate God And Government

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  1. JBnTX

    JBnTX

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    It's time to end the unholy concept of separation of church and state.
    Matthew 6:24 says "No man can serve two masters...".

    Government and religion cannot be separated and when God and government conflict,
    it's God that has the priority, not the government.

    The Constitution places heavy restrictions on government, but forbids any restrictions on religion. That makes religion the controlling authority, not government.

    That means religion can do anything it wants, anywhere and at anytime and government has no say in the matter. Religious freedom comes first, and the government comes second.

    And that Constitutional reference to religion is to the Judeo-Christian religion,
    and NOT to some minor heathen religion or atheism.

    America is founded on the Judeo-Christian belief system, not on Hindu, Buddhist or Islamic beliefs. And certainly not on Evolution-ism, Humanism, Darwinism or atheism.

    It's time the Christian religion took its rightful place at the helm of the US government.



    https://boilingthefrogs.wordpress.c...ate-politics-and-religion-nor-should-you-try/

    It takes intentional deception or just plain ignorance to believe that our Founding Fathers intended or would tolerate any restrictions on religion.

    They did place heavy restrictions on Government….

    And the original language contained in the Constitution is not at all ambiguous: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

    What’s so difficult about that? It is only convoluted by those who seek to undermine this freedom—because they don’t like it.

    Well, no matter if you like it or not…. and no matter how hard you try, you cannot separate politics and religion.

    More importantly, and contrary to the secular-left hand-wringers who hyperventilate at the mere thought of Christians… the result is not ‘one extreme or the other.’

    In fact, even in the perfect Judeo-Christian world, Judeo-Christian teachings do not call for a theocracy, nor should it. But no one has EVER addressed this highly volatile subject more beautifully or more wisely than our Founding Fathers.

    Our founding Fathers did not embrace the Judeo-Christian principles because they were religious zealots, they embraced the Judeo-Christian principles because they are the principles of goodness, the principles of morality and the principles of justice.

    Now, if you actually read the U.S. constitution, its purpose is clear:
    To restrain government, not religion.

    The problem was not religion… the problem was government interference with religion.

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  2. Dave514

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    No.

    And a perfect example of why atheists post in GTRI.
     
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  3. FireInCairo

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    Actually, it was God's idea to separate church and state. There isn't a single teaching from Jesus about the church running the civil authorities. Why? Because God's already got that under control.

    He raises up and takes down kingdoms according to a number of factors: His will, the will of the people, and the will of the leaders.

    Satan, as indicted by the prophet Isaiah, likes to "weaken the nations." He does so by tempting sinful leaders and sinful people. If he can turn their hearts away from God's will, the people will end up with awful, oppressive leaders until they groan and realize they need to turn back to God.

    It's part of the spiritual battle raging.

    Christians are not to meddle in the government, we are to preach the gospel message and speak truth in love to the wayward and lost.
     
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  4. Kingarthurhk

    Kingarthurhk Isaiah 53:4-9

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    When Church and State mingled it led to Catholic atrocities for 1200 years and the Dark Ages. The First Amendment was set forth by the Founders to allow freedom of religion, as they were tired of the oppression by various colonies, and the original intent of the Scrooby Seperatists was to gain freedom of religion. Then they became as abusive as the place they left. You will find such abuses in many of the Colonies. You sound like you want a Utopia, but if you were a student of history, you would know better. Evil religions use Government like clubs.
     
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  5. Dave514

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    Not sure God's that good at it anyway.

    1 Samuel 15:11
    It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

    Omniscience and perfection is a real stumbling block. At least he regretted his mistake.

    No thanks, I'll keep church and state separate.
     
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  6. JBnTX

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    No, government is not to meddle in Christianity. That's what the Constitution says.

    And Christians are to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the wayward and lost, and to convert them to Christianity. Only by accepting Jesus Christ can they find true salvation and forgiveness of their sins.

    Speaking "truth in love" doesn't accomplish anything except making the Christian feel good about himself. It does nothing for the sinner.

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  7. Dave514

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    Soooo...the Bible dictates when it's to your advantage but the Constitution dictates when THAT is to your advantage.
     
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    I know that you as a protestant, don't believe this, but just as we have a spirit and an angel in charge of that spirit, so are governments and countries and anything that was created by God, so in the spiritual realm, government and God go hand in hand and each deserves attention. That is why Jesus said " Give to cesar what belongs to cesar, and give to God, what belongs to God" Jesus thought us to respect governing laws as part earthlings and God' laws as part of the spiritual realm or universe. As a side note, it would be wise to research on the origins of the Christian faith as well as the origins of the birth of this nation and the true intentions of the founding fathers, as to not look foolish and loose credibility when trying to defend the Crhistian faith. God Bless!
     
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    Because that's always worked out so well and peaceably throughout history ...
     
  10. FireInCairo

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    It's a tough pill to swallow, but you've just got to come to terms with the fact that God is dealing with our nation corporately in a manner in which it deserves.

    It is not the church's role to take over the government, even if the government becomes oppressive. God has allowed this to happen for a reason, and Christians should not get in the way of God's will.

    When you suggest such ideas, you are aligning yourself with the most dangerous apostate movement afoot today: The New Apostolic Reformation. These people are dominionist and they're on the forefront of guiding Christians to take over civil government, despite the fact that the Bible plainly teaches God is in control of the civil authorities.

    Consider Daniel in the the Babylonian exile. That's pretty much where the authentic Christian in America stands today.

    And every Christian should speak truth (the Gospel message) in love (with the proper motivation of the heart). Both of these things are commands of the Lord, and if we love Him, we will obey His commandments.
     
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  11. Lone Wolf8634

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    Four points;
    1. Apparently your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired. The 1A clearly forbids the government from establishing or favoring any religion. It's stated in language that is as unambiguous as you can get.

    2. Those chaps that wrote the constitution weren't stupid or incompetent. If they meant for the 1A to allow for a particular religion to meddle in the affairs of government, they would have stated it implicitly.




    3. I don't want to hear about how Atheists shouldn't be allowed to post here. When you post such radical and inflammatory drivel you are purposefully baiting everyone who disagrees with you. And Atheists are at the top of that list. You are one of the reasons we have religious issues

    4. Once again you prove that you and your particular brand of Christianity are the moral equivalent of Islam. Your posts and general attitude truly make me wonder just what you might be capable of in order to further your goals.
     
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    Well they're doing a pretty good job of separating and outlawing it so far.
     
  13. JBnTX

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    No, I do believe it.

    We're not talking about what Christians should do, or what the Bible says.
    We're talking about freedom of religion as it's written in the US Constitution.

    The Constitution puts restrictions on government, but when it comes to religion it says that no restrictions can be placed on religion.

    Then why don't we have a Christian government?
    Why can't we put the Ten Commandments in a federal courthouse?
    Why can't we pray in school?
    Why can't we use tax payer money for churches?

    We can't because the liberals and atheists have distorted the Constitution and forced the American people into believing some twisted concept of "freedom of religion".

    There's no such thing as separation of church and state, and Christianity should be firmly involved in the government of this country.

    Don't fall for the atheist and liberal lies, and don't distort Bible verses that have nothing to do with this subject.
     
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    If government can't prohibit the free exercise of religion, then why can't we put the Ten Commandments in a federal courthouse?

    That is not the establishment or endorsement of a religion no more than the furniture in the courthouse is an endorsement of its manufacturer.

    The government buy's Chevrolet vehicles, but no one accuses them of endorsing or supporting Chevrolet. Religion should be no different.
     
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    Now ChrISIS wants to set up a caliphate. Interesting. The line between your cult and theirs is becoming a little blurry.
     
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    Ok. Let's place the 10C in a federal courthouse. While we're at it we can go ahead and set up a loudspeaker and all the Muslims can bring their prayer rugs 5 times a day.





    Yes, it is.

    They also buy Fords. But there's no wording in the COTUS that dictates or forbids where the gooberment buys its physical supplies.
     
  18. JBnTX

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    God is not "dealing" with America any differently than any other country.
    God is not in control of civil authorities in America.

    That's Modernist Christianity and it's heretical Prosperity gospel nonsense.

    That entire "God is love" concept is a cop out by new age Christians so they don't have to confront the evil in this world. They may as well just bury their heads in the sand.

    You'd do good to learn just who the Bible verses you quote are directed to in the Bible.

    In Genesis, God says to build an Ark.
    Why aren't Christians building Arks?

    Because God was talking only to Noah, not to today's Christians.

    Now, do you think there may be other places/verses in the Bible that fall into the same category?

    Most of the Bible falls into that category.
    It's true.

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