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XS 24/7 Night sights

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by pete1953, Sep 8, 2004.

  1. pete1953

    pete1953

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    My Glock 36 has XS 24/7 Night sights installed. I like to try shooting in GSSF competition as well as IDPA. Are these sights approved for competition? My Glock is my regular carry gun. Thanks for the input.
     
  2. DaleGribble

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    They're not allowed. Sights have to be of the notch and post variety.
     

  3. pete1953

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    Thanks for the reply. So much for me shooting in GSSF and IDPA!
     
  4. DaleGribble

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    Let me rephrase my answer. 24/7 sights are not allowed in GSSF, except for the Unlimited category, which consists mainly of red dot sights.

    They may be legal for IDPA, I don't know about that.
     
  5. mike from philly

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    I think they are legal in IPDA and USPSA - all divisions.
     
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    IDPA Rulebook here.

    Didn't see any divisions in IDPA allowing anything except notch & post, but may be something else buried in there.
     
  7. Grandfather Glock

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    XS Sights is a sponsor of IDPA.

    IDPA considers XS Sights as being of the notch and post style.

    Not sure about USPSA.
     
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    Never understood what GSSF had against express sights.

    I don't like them but some folks sure do.

    they are legal for IDPA, the above poster is 100% on that one.

    Ted
     
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    Ted, can you confirm USPSA allows express sights? Just curious if you knew. I've heard it both ways.
     
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    My green book is at work but the 14th edition rules say "square notch and post only" under sights (pp101) I'm thinking with the inclusion of the word "square" they wouldn't be legal but i'm not the most knowledgable fella when it comes to USPSA rules.


    IDPA's book says "conventional notch and post", and I know XS are allowed there.


    Ted
     
  11. Fireglock

    Fireglock Which is worse?

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    Well I just looked at a set of the sights in question. If IDPA considers them conventional notch and post I can see why folks question IDPA's rules. :)
     
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    Thanks Jerry for the sanity check. Have to agree; if I was interested in IDPA 3 mos ago & read the rulebook (as I did) I would have thought that my 'express sights' (if I owned any) would've been counter to the rules. They make no mention of 'square', just 'conventional' and non-conventional notch and post. They have such a long list of what holsters are/aren't permitted, maybe they should clarify that. Makes me appreciate GSSF. ;f
     
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    A couple of years ago I got a note from John Amidon, ruling that the express sights are ok for USPSA production. When I used the express sights, I carried that email note printed with me to matches. I looked and can't find that note nor the original email.

    You may want to drop him a note asking again so you have a valid ruling that you can show match directors. Especially now we're operating under a new rule book.
     
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    I don't think XS sights provide an advantage. Any speed increase is offest by a precision decrease. If I ran the world, they would allow them. I'd shoot my G36 in majorsub if I could use those sights.

    Paul
     
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    Fireglock Which is worse?

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    If they don't provide an advantage why would you want to use them? ;f
     
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    I won a set a couple of years ago and installed them on my G36 carry gun. I ran quite a few rounds through the other day and am really leaning towards replacing them with something else. I'm not that pleased with the accuracy.
     
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    Came on the gun with a trade. I regret not keeping the gun that had trijicons on them. Don't feel like spending the $$$ on trijicons just to shoot a G36 in GSSF...

    And, for thier purpose i.e. quick self defense, they work well. But they are hard to be precise with. So it is a wash, IMHO, for competiton.
     
  18. Norske

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    Why not "Express" sights for GSSF? For GSSF's purposes GSSF defines a "stock" gun as consisting of parts that have either been made available BY Glock itself, OR are substantially similar to the parts made available by Glock and/or do not offer a significant competitive advantage. That is why other "Patridge"-type sights are allowed. Any "Patridge" type sight picture is close enough to that offered by Glock-issued sights as to make no practical difference. Glock has never offered a sight that remotely resembles the "Express" sights. Ergo, no-go as far as GSSF is concerned. What USPSA or IDPA allows is irrelevant as far as GSSF is concerned.