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Discussion in 'Cop Talk' started by Gombey, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. Gombey

    Gombey

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    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

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    Glad the officer is OK.

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  3. MadeInAmerica

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    Donte should get 30 years.
     
  4. Dukeboy01

    Dukeboy01 Pretty Ladies!

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    The officers are lucky to be alive, completely due to a criminal having either a crap firearm, a poorly maintained one, or knocking it out of battery while trying to take multiple contact shots.

    Luck runs out. Luck dependent upon the mistakes of others runs out faster.
     
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    an OMG moment for certain.
    suspect deserves every bad thing he could get.
    thank God for malfunctions, in this case.
     
  6. slamdunc

    slamdunc JAFO

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    Donte should have had the air let out of him.
     
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  7. MadeInAmerica

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    Sorry, I had a moment of white guilt.
     
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    steveksux Massive Member

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    "Those officers did not fire their weapons, even when they realized that one of their own was in mortal danger."

    I won't second guess, there's times where deadly force is warranted but not necessary. And all's well that ends well.

    That said, were I their supervisor or the one in mortal danger, I'd be very interested in hearing their articulation as to why they felt deadly force was not necessary.

    Randy

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    definitely just basic luck. The article talks about how the officers showed great restraint?

    why in the wide wide world of sports would anyone be restrained when someone has a gun on your partner and is pulling the trigger?

    were they clairvoyant and knew the next time it wouldn't fire either?
     
  10. Ohsheepdog

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    I'm so tired of the term 'restraint'. It almost always means the administrator is glad their officer didn't use deadly force or kick the crap out of someone that deserved it, and now the administrator doesn't have to deal with public scrutiny for a righteous use of force. It also usually means the officer (s) didn't use to amount of force the could and should have used based on the law and their training.

    The unfortunate effect is it reinforces falsehoods to the public and media and can cause officers to hesitate and not use righteous force.
    "That other officer used a Taser on the guy with the rifle so why didn't your officer?" "Officer Clueless put his gun away and wrestled the butcher knife away from the suicidal woman... Why did your officer brutally shoot the poor, misunderstood man?"
     
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  11. Gombey

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    I know I'm not admin or a member of this department. And I'm not trying to MMQB, BUT! I agree. It better be a damn good reason. Also, praise in public and all but I would have had some strong words in private.

    Crap like this sets a precedent. The nxt officer in that area, not even that department, might have this situation rattling around in his head and hesitate. Flip side is a good shoot is tainted due to the comments by the brass.
     
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  12. Ohsheepdog

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    Based on the article, with 3 officers and a total of 6 occupants in the vehicle, I'm going to assume they didn't shoot due to too many potential chances of hitting someone else. That's why we teach how to shoot or use other deadly force in close quarters. Angles and choice of tool is everything. We taught last year how to shoot an offender on top of an officer or victim without injuring them or bystanders... And then the citizens in Arizona and Florida did just that to save officers on the highway.
     
  13. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    I guess it boils down to restraint isn't something to be praised for if you can't praise their judgement that made restraint their go to option.

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    I'm going to go with: The other officers didn't see it because the pair were so close together the gun wasn't visible to them.

    Otherwise, I wouldn't trust my life to them ever again!
     
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    Darwin was off that day.
     
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    If I were an officer and my partner didn't enter the fight when I was getting shot; I would quit before having that partner again.
     
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    collim1 Shower Time!

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    Yea, what a load of Bologna. If someone has a gun stuck in your gut you have to address that gun. Strip it and beat the hell out of them with it. That is not the time to draw your gun.

    Great restraint my foot. They were in a fight for that gun and shooting him just wasn't how it played out.
     
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    I'll drink to that.:cheers:
     
  19. Don Griffith

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    I think you left a '0' off.
     
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    This just puts another police officer or citizen in jeopardy! When this d-bag gets out of prison in 7years, I'm sure he will repent-find Jesus and get out early on "good" behavior. Then he gets the chance to try it again, only next time the victim may not be so fortunate. The chief is wrong.