close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

Wow! So you have to suffer and indignity even for a minor

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Glock20 10mm, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2005
    Messages:
    14,873
    Likes Received:
    105
    Location:
    Land of Idiots and Libtards
  2. Naelbis

    Naelbis

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2009
    Messages:
    3,451
    Likes Received:
    229
    Location:
    ND
    That has never mattered...I've always been able to strip search for non violent offenses. And to be fair, reasonable suspicion in a correctional environment was so easy to meet as to make this ruling meaningless. They are just catching legal interpretation up with practice is all.
     

  3. puckhead

    puckhead

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2009
    Messages:
    1,318
    Likes Received:
    15
    When you are arrested your rights go out the window. Don't get arrested.
     
  4. Ohio Cop

    Ohio Cop

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    647
    Location:
    The Rust Belt.
    It's called search incident to arrest, start there first.

    It's always been in practice, you get a strip search for free when you get booked into any jail in the country.

    If I arrest you for a crime and I have reason to believe ya got something else hiding, I'll do my damnedest to find it. You're gettin your blood pressure up for no reason. But I'm sure some can link this to their guns being taken away...right?


    Sent from my Calculator.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2012
  5. Sam Spade

    Sam Spade Staff Member Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2003
    Messages:
    15,770
    Likes Received:
    4,180
  6. Ohio Cop

    Ohio Cop

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    5,705
    Likes Received:
    647
    Location:
    The Rust Belt.
    I really am waiting on the explanation from the OP.


    Sent from my Calculator.
     
  7. RowdyatHeart

    RowdyatHeart

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2012
    Messages:
    741
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    The Republic of Texas
    I guess if a repeat felon hid a shank in his rectum and then stabbed someone in the holding tank that was there for unpaid fines then the victim would want to sue right? This is the purpose of strip searches---to keep everyone safe.

    Our oldest son has had issues with drugs for about two years. I finally let him fall on his face after a misdemeanor charge. He is 6'-4", 225 LBS but he's 18. He got to spend a few days in a cell block with about 150 men and sleep in a cell with two felons and one class A misdemeanor offender.

    Jail is not meant to be a torture chamber but it is not pleasant and not meant to be a resort. In some places, you have the luxury of being segregated from the really bad offenders or violent felons who are on trial for new crimes. In other places, the resources do not allow it.

    Jail is like war. It's hell and strip searches come with the territory.
     
  8. Agent6-3/8

    Agent6-3/8

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2006
    Messages:
    7,613
    Likes Received:
    168
    Location:
    The ramparts of civilization
    Good call, IMO. Even people arrested for minor things can have things hidden on/in their person. Seen it happen many times. Don't like the treatment, don't get arrested, simple as that.
     
  9. TSAX

    TSAX USAF Vet

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    10,162
    Likes Received:
    7
    Your lucky you dont live on a military installation where it states you can be searched at any time military or civilian while on station.





    :50cal:
     
  10. aspartz

    aspartz

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2000
    Messages:
    3,281
    Likes Received:
    133
    Location:
    Sandstone, MN 55072
    The decision applies to those who are going to enter the general population. Imagine the problems is some guy with a warrant for failure to appear had drugs that a simple pat search missed. What if this was used to purposely mule contraband cellphones or other items into the general population.

    ARS
     
  11. *ASH*

    *ASH* FURBANITE

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2008
    Messages:
    5,038
    Likes Received:
    5,363
    Location:
    I REAP what YOU sow
    thats been the way its been since the caveman . ever since the caveman police arrested a wife beater caveman booked him in cave jail only to find he had a stick shank up his ass . just think what could have happened
     
  12. hammerkill

    hammerkill

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2012
    Messages:
    224
    Likes Received:
    0
    Where I used to work they could serch you or your car on company property. Only saw it once, man was an alcoholic and they looked in his car for booze.
     
  13. Big Bird

    Big Bird NRA Life Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2003
    Messages:
    10,539
    Likes Received:
    2,207
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    The Court said CAN be searched. Not SHOULD be searched. Big difference. And nothing stops a local community from passing laws that restrict this practice by its law enforcement folks.

    The matter before the Court was whether this was an UNREASONABLE search. If you get arrested for something and get put in jail I think its not unreasonable that the authorities search you before you are put into custody. The Court simple doesn't feel the need to specify the manner of the search. I don't disagree.

    Like I said, if you find your local authorities abusing this power its a simple matter to replace/re-elect them or pass laws that limit this power. But I don't think we want our courts writing rules for the executive branch when it comes to exercise of police powers/law enforcement in a case where there is clearly a need to secure a person apprehended/detained for legitimate reasons.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  14. jwhite75

    jwhite75 Gubmint Worker

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2009
    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    3
    Location:
    Dub V
    Lets say young thug is trying to prove himself to the gang in the neighborhood. He just has to do what the leaders tell him. They need to get some drugs or a weapon or a cell phone inside to boss dog, so he can run the streets from inside.

    All Junior has to do is get a little drunk and act stupid in fron tof a cop, get Public Intox, or Drunk and Disorderly, etc. He gets escorted to county facilities and since it wasnt a violent crime he doesnt get strip searched.

    He goes to the bathroom and tapes the contrabnad from hir rectum ot the underside of the toilet and an inmate "trustee" or dirty staff member gets it and takes it in to the boss gang member.

    You get arrested you get strip searched....cost of doing business.
     
  15. ray9898

    ray9898

    Joined:
    May 29, 2001
    Messages:
    14,755
    Likes Received:
    2,289
    Location:
    Georgia
    You lose rights in a custodial arrest. Guess what...you get restrained and confied against your will also.

    Jails are a secure facility and the most common hiding place on the human body for contraband can can only be checked one way.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  16. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    45,879
    Likes Received:
    15,672
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Whether you are a bad check writer or a murderer, if you smuggle a gun or knife into the jail, there is still a gun or knife in the jail with ALL of the criminals in there. It would be idiotic to allow those charged with minor crimes to sneak in weapons that then become accessible to those charged with major crimes. That is exactly why the opinion allows the strip searches for those being mixed into general population.

    I'm still waiting for somebody to explain why they are so terrified of strip searches. Are these the same people hyperventilating over the TSA body sscanners? They should just work out and it won't be so embarassing.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2012
  17. MikeLadner

    MikeLadner DILLIGAFF?

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2001
    Messages:
    743
    Likes Received:
    39
    Location:
    South Mississippi
    Anyone who cannot see the logic in a full strip search for someone in custody is a fool, and very ignorant and naive as to the way things really are.
     
  18. Glockdude1

    Glockdude1 Federal Member CLM

    Joined:
    May 24, 2000
    Messages:
    25,294
    Likes Received:
    4,223
    Location:
    Beaumont,Texas
    :agree:
     
  19. Bruce M

    Bruce M

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2010
    Messages:
    46,294
    Likes Received:
    20,264
    Location:
    S FL
    Wait! You mean if I get booked into a jail I might (almost certainly) have to take my clothes off and be searched??



    :couch:
     
  20. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2005
    Messages:
    25,753
    Likes Received:
    3,627
    Location:
    CO & Baden –Württemberg
    Uh uh.

    So, what you are saying is that people who have not been found guilty of anything should be held in conditions that fall somewhere between "not torture" and "not pleasant"?

    I bet you would cry foul if your employer suspected you doing something and then you were put in a "not pleasant" state .i.e. were forced to come in an work without pay..never to get it...until on their time schedule they decided if you actually did it.

    The problem with this case is that he was in jail at all. He actually had the court paperwork from what I read showing he had paid and then it still took 6 days.

    Exactly what was he being held in "not pleasant" conditions for?

    -Dana