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would you buy a 1911 with no serial number

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by BamaG19, Nov 25, 2012.

  1. BamaG19

    BamaG19

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    Would you be concerned about buying an old Colt 1911 without a serial number? I saw one for sale and I am not sure what to do. The gun has been professionally reblued, pics of the whole process. It is supposedly a lunch box gun. The story on these guns is that the components were taken out of the factory before the s/n were punched.

    Looking for any info on this 1911.
     
  2. ca survivor

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  3. faawrenchbndr

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    If it is a 1911 spec frame and not a 1911A1 frame, yes
     
  4. Foxtrotx1

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    It is a federal offense to possess a gun without a serial.....

    Is this thread for real?
     
  5. faawrenchbndr

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    No,....it 's not. Do some research, serial numbers were not
    required, by law, until 1935.

    IF the pistol was altered, ie, serial number removed before refinish
    then YES it would be illegal, as per the 1968 firearms act.
     
  6. kirgi08

    kirgi08 Watcher. Silver Member

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    Sure, I own a model 37 Winchester without a serial number. Now a gun with a modified serial number is a totally different story.
     
  8. Leigh

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    Provenance of a 'lunch box' parts gun is very unlikely....no, make that next to impossible.

    If such could magically be proven, it only shows that the frame & parts were STOLEN by SOMEONE at SOME point in history.

    I would pass.
     
  9. 38 Super Fan

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    Come to think of it, Model 37s were produced from 36-63 and never serial numbered.
     
  10. Cadcom

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    Actually it was the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 that required by law that all firearms have a serial number. Before then it was up to the manufacturer and some did for their own records and others didn't bother.
     
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    Yes this thread is for real. I have seen the 1911 and it is a very old model.

    The s/n has not been modified or removed, its just not there.




     
  12. faawrenchbndr

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    Could be under one of the grips.
     
  13. holesinpaper

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    There was a time in America when serial numbers were not required to be on firearms.

    Of course, we had more freedom back then.

    All the guns that had no serial number prior to the GCA of 1968 are still legal to own.

    1968, the year America died just a little bit more.
     
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    ^^^This^^^

    1968 is the year that serial numbers became MANDATORY.

    Prior to this, most of the better manufacturers serialized their guns, but it was not required.
     
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    If it was after the time they were required, then I would not.
     
  16. Jim Watson

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    I think the NFA required serial numbers on handguns as of 1934.

    But the point is, Colt has been serializing their guns since 1836, and if you see a Colt lacking a serial number, it has much the most likely been removed. I have seen them on the 1911 boards done so neatly you would swear there never had been any marking there. But there was.

    It is illegal to remove or alter the serial number from any gun that ever had one, no matter when made. It is illegal to even possess one. The "lunchbox gun" business would be up to you to prove.

    It was not easy to steal a mostly completed gun. I had a classmate who had a neat little wooden box with all the parts necessary for a 1911... except the receiver. Grandpa had worked for Remington-UMC during WW I and had pilfered the barrel, slide, and small parts without much trouble, but he could not figure out how to get away with a frame.

    Are you likely to be checked up on? Probably not. I figure most of the scrubbed guns posted on the gunboards just go back in the closet, recommendations to scrap or surrender them going unheard. But I sure would not buy one.
     
  17. kf4zra

    kf4zra I miss ya Murph

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    I have a colt 1911 from 1914 that definitely has the SN
    Its right there on the frame, not under the grips
     
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    OP never specified a date and I sure as hell doubt Colt let many guns out of the factory without SN. Chances are, OP is referring to a gun that could land someone in the slammer.

    Also, if it has an inspector stamp, def had the SN removed.
     
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    OP did not state there was a inspector's stamp present.:whistling:
     
  20. vafish

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    I have several guns made before 1968 that have no serial number on them. They were not required prior to then.

    Also you can build your own handgun and not put a serial number on it.

    It us only a federal offense to deface or remove a serial number.

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