Wings Over Vietnam: Gunships

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Jade Falcon, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon WTF EREN?!

    Messages:
    11,396
    Likes Received:
    9,537
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA.
    I found this interesting documentary from 2003 about Gunships being used in Vietnam. Very cool. 51 minutes long, if you can spare the time.



    Any Vietnam vets here with stories to tell about these planes, I would love to hear from you, and I'm sure many others here would as well.

    :flag:
     
    Sam Spade, GVIFlyer, janice6 and 7 others like this.
  2. WeeWilly

    WeeWilly

    Messages:
    18,790
    Likes Received:
    29,724
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Location:
    Idaho
    Old Testament kind of thing.
     
    Caver 60, janice6 and cyberghostx13 like this.
  3. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida

  4. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida
  5. WeeWilly

    WeeWilly

    Messages:
    18,790
    Likes Received:
    29,724
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Location:
    Idaho
    I believe Unclebob crewed on a Spectre.
     
    janice6, Caver 60 and Jade Falcon like this.
  6. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Messages:
    8,949
    Likes Received:
    9,142
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Location:
    Midwest
    Watched the complete video with interest. Of course that wasn't my part of air war. I dropped iron bombs over there from 1966 through 1972, But I had a boss later in my career, who had been a Nav on an AC-47. He had some interesting stories to tell.

    The video seemed very interesting. Things like President Johnson's stopping the bombing starting Nov 1968 stands out the largest in my memory. I feel we had them about whipped until that happened. Dumb decision, (among many other dumb decisions by our political leaders during that era) IMHO.

    The 'attack orbit' described in the video is a basic maneuver taught to many pilots, called a 'Pylon Eight.' Basically you just fly about a 30 degree bank angle, and point the down wing at a point on the ground as you circle around the point. That way it's pretty easy to keep the guns concentrated on a fixed point on the ground, especially with the aid of on board electronic devices.
     
    GVIFlyer, byf43, crater and 7 others like this.
  7. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida
    I always heard, don’t know if true, that the idea for gunships came from delivering the mail in South America.

    Basically the mail pilot would fly the “ Pylon Eight “ and drop a mail bucket on a rope to the ground where it would basically stay in one place while people got their mail in/out of the bucket.

    From that, it was a short stretch from a guy saying, “ if we can do that with mail, we should be able to put bullets in the same place also.”

    Don’t know if true, but it sounds like American ingenuity.

    :supergrin:
     
  8. Peace Warrior

    Peace Warrior Am Yisrael Chai CLM

    Messages:
    34,699
    Likes Received:
    12,185
    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Location:
    Northeast Fla. "Have a good one"
    Definitely a force multiplier. Good vid
     
  9. cadillacguns

    cadillacguns Millennium Member

    Messages:
    7,570
    Likes Received:
    3,131
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 1999
    Location:
    Indianapolis, IN USA
    Had a AC 130 covering me once during my Army days, did not want to be on his target list, he just left banked and pounded the area, and it was in the day time, would have been a greater fireworks show at night I bet.
     
    janice6, Alchemy, crater and 4 others like this.
  10. DonMerlin

    DonMerlin

    Messages:
    1,010
    Likes Received:
    347
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2013
    Location:
    Metro Atlanta
    I fixed radios on Spectre AC-130s
    8th AMS 72-73
     
    GVIFlyer, janice6, byf43 and 5 others like this.
  11. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida
  12. Caver 60

    Caver 60

    Messages:
    8,949
    Likes Received:
    9,142
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2007
    Location:
    Midwest
    I kind of doubt that??? Depending on the aircraft altitude and speed, the plane is flying in a circle that is probably at least several miles wide. Kind of hard to get the bucket into the center of the circle., unless he was really low to the ground. Bullets would be a little different.

    And being that close to the ground and managing the bucket and rope would be a good trick, unless there were two guys in the plane. Don't know?????
     
    willie_pete and cyberghostx13 like this.
  13. cyberghostx13

    cyberghostx13 USMC "The Few The Proud"

    Messages:
    6,238
    Likes Received:
    9,217
    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2006
    Location:
    Route 66 Straight On To ORION
    image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg image.jpeg Well when we(Foxtrot Co. 2nd Battalian 26th Regiment 3rd Marine Division)went "Afloat" in early September 1968 we were attached to the 1st Marine Division's 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade and would chopper off the deck of LPH5(USS Princeton, then LPH8(USS Okinawa) when the Princeton rotated out. CH-34s were our mode of transportation and we would land in hot or cold LZs. I for one loved the flying as it sure beat humping in. Ya we got shot at sometimes, but heck we got shot at many more times while on the ground humping the boonies. We were allowed to smoke on the 34s but the butts had to be thrown hard down and under the chopper. Mostly we were around the areas south of DaNang like An Hoa and Hoi An also known as "Dodge City" and "Arizona Territory". Here are some pics. Sayonara.
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
    GVIFlyer, janice6, pgg00 and 4 others like this.
  14. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida

    referenced in page 284 of this book under " gunships "; Capt. Ronald Terry, USAF.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=FW_50wm8VnMC&pg=PA284&lpg=PA284&dq=delivery+mail+by+rope+and+airplane+in+the+jungle&source=bl&ots=SicOv4xi4P&sig=9spm470sypLuK2qq3rKinIBygz4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiCq7-5_LjdAhVvplkKHRwyCHUQ6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=delivery mail by rope and airplane in the jungle&f=false

    gunships.PNG



    Don't know if true or not. This was the only reference I could find.
     
  15. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida
  16. WeeWilly

    WeeWilly

    Messages:
    18,790
    Likes Received:
    29,724
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2011
    Location:
    Idaho
    Anybody else showing my second post, which should be like post #11, in the thread as a second post #1?

    I wondering if it got flagged due to the "Old Testament" reference, sidelined for inspection and then inserted out of order?
     
    blackjack and Caver 60 like this.
  17. MulletLoad

    MulletLoad

    Messages:
    2,554
    Likes Received:
    2,712
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2002
    Location:
    Outer Marker
    Great read WP.
    Leave it to LeMay to instantly realize a method to rain down death from above.
     
    GVIFlyer, Caver 60, janice6 and 5 others like this.
  18. Alchemy

    Alchemy Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,221
    Likes Received:
    4,348
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Location:
    Oregon..
    It's too bad that the boots on the ground didn't have access to a C-130 gunship back when we were in Somalia. Evidently, Clinton thought that it would make our presence there too high profile. To hell with the safety of our troops. Perceived politics trumps everything (where have we seen that before).

    A gunship flying over 'Mogadishu when we were trying to get our boys out alive could have made one hell of a difference in the real "Blackhawk Down".
     
  19. Alchemy

    Alchemy Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,221
    Likes Received:
    4,348
    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Location:
    Oregon..
    Regardless of how you look at things, that's pretty damn impressive! I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the ground underneath that "Rain of Death".
     
    Caver 60, janice6 and willie_pete like this.
  20. Jade Falcon

    Jade Falcon WTF EREN?!

    Messages:
    11,396
    Likes Received:
    9,537
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2004
    Location:
    Vancouver, WA.
    For your viewing pleasure:



    Because happiness is a fully armed Gunship. :)
     
  21. willie_pete

    willie_pete NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    24,588
    Likes Received:
    43,937
    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2000
    Location:
    Florida
    The man did know his ****.
     
    Caver 60 and janice6 like this.